Chatter about Westwood seceding from Cincinnati (Hamilton, Wilson: crime, get credit, how much)

[aquila]

Originally Posted by Hartwell Girl

To answer your question, YES. Of all the townships mentioned by aquila in his post, you are using one problem neighborhood as an example.

Why are you so gung-ho about seeing the city even more fragmented? I don't understand how that would be beneficial to Cincinnati.

If, as you say, Hartwell has threatened to do this in the past, then what stopped it?

[wilson1010]

Originally Posted by aquila

Why are you so gung-ho about seeing the city even more fragmented? I don't understand how that would be beneficial to Cincinnati.

If, as you say, Hartwell has threatened to do this in the past, then what stopped it?

Reason prevailed.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by Hartwell Girl

This isnt just a group of people discussing it, it is the neighborhood council, the westwood civic association. No one should dismiss something that a neighborhood council is trying to do.

I'm saying it's not the entire neighborhood that is wanting to succeed.

As far as not affording it, why not?

The neighborhood is already "struggling" enough as it is.

Like I always tell my son "never say never"

Again, the city has to approve it as well ... it wont happen.

[goyguy]

It's too bad b/c they might've been able to make the Werk Mansion into the mayor's residence! LOL
Lincoln Hts is the way it is because that was the intent when it was built. Some of the Capes in the Shepherd Lane area and the houses in the section nearest Woodlawn (i.e. Prairie Ave) were well constructed. But a goodly amount of the dwellings were substandard from the beginning. And the government ripped off the residents of the Valley Homes apartment complex in the late '40s by making it a co-operative community but based on terms which were impossible to meet. It's a glaring legacy of deliberate segregation based on race. And it's slowly being remedied by way of new developments that have curb appeal to middle- to upper-middle-class AA households: the Beverly Court townhouse condos and the "Lindy's Repose" McMansion subdivision at the east end of Lindy St. Poverty and crime have always been comfortable bedfellows, but hopefully an increase in economic diversity will bring about a safer village. As long as the Princeton school district stays better than average (albeit second-tier) "the Heights" stands a fair chance of continuing its slow positive turnaround.

[Hartwell Girl]

Originally Posted by aquila

Why are you so gung-ho about seeing the city even more fragmented? I don't understand how that would be beneficial to Cincinnati.

If, as you say, Hartwell has threatened to do this in the past, then what stopped it?

First question...I'm not. It's not about benefiting the City, it is about the communities within the City and how much longer some of them can continue to decline because many times the City has other priorities than addressing neighborhood issues.
Second, Hartwell has used it as a threat to try to get things accomplished but has not started anything in motion. Its always an option for for any neighborhood.

[Hartwell Girl]

Originally Posted by wilson1010

Reason prevailed.

Dont assume anything about my neighborhood Wilson--you're wrong as usual.

[Hartwell Girl]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

I'm saying it's not the entire neighborhood that is wanting to succeed.
The neighborhood is already "struggling" enough as it is.
....

Again, the city has to approve it as well ... it wont happen.

The Westwood Council would obviously have to find out if the support was there before they would preceed.
As are many
The City is not always the say all-end all...there are ways to get it done.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by Hartwell Girl

The City is not always the say all-end all...there are ways to get it done.

I know about the "where there's a will - there's a way" quote, but it ain't happening without the city's blessing, that's just the law.

[wilson1010]

Hartwell is a toilet. If they could be persuaded to exit the city, the average IQ and income in the city would [modestly increase] and the crime rate would drop. Other than that, I'm sure its a real nice place to dump a stolen car or some worn out tires.

[Joe 4520832257]

Frankly, Cincinnati should at least consider giving its blessing to the succession of anything west of the RR yards.

It would be a short-term negative, as the city would lose some prestige and recognition with the population loss. However, it could be a long-term positive. Now that the government has reduced its blatant subsidy of urban core poverty, the ne'er-do-wells are gravitating toward the Westside neighborhoods. In fact, if the govt ever fixes (or eliminates) Section 8, the results for the Westside will probably be even worse! It could be a net tax gain for Cincy to lose these places.

All that being said ... yes, fragmentation in general is bad. A MUCH BETTER solution would be a consolidated Hamilton County. Additionally, I agree with the other comments that Westwood won't actually succeed. If Cincinnati loses money maintaining their roads, Westwood won't do much better. The massive road debt will scare them out of it.