Does Cincinnati have a subway system? (Wilson: sales, taxi, sales tax)

[wilson1010]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

rustic39, Sunnydee, wilson1010 ... curious, where do you guys live?

I live in Mt. Lookout and work in OTR. Where do you live and work?

[wilson1010]

Originally Posted by jlrosen

Gas prices aren't going to stay low forever, but the refferendum is permanent.

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a rail system without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

[jlrosen]

Originally Posted by wilson1010

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a rail system without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

Would you agree with the following:

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a highway without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a bridge without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a new lane without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a bike lane without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a sidewalk without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a bus route without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a jail without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a recreation center without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a park without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a sewer without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

Well, it says that these self serving career politicians can't build a water treatment plant without putting it on the ballot. Does that sound like a bad idea to you?

[wilson1010]

Your rhetorical question is noted and rejected as absurd. If you think that building a sidewalk is the same as a rail system, we need not compare ideas on this further. I respect your right to that opinion without agreeing with it.

But, you know, on reflection, I would have to say that if a majority of the citizens in a community wanted to restrict their own government so that any particular matter should have to come to a vote of the people, I think I'd agree with it, unless that would result in abridging the rights of the minority. I doubt that the majority of the community would vote to require council to bring a sidewalk construction to a public vote though. But, let's just see how many folks vote to limit the City Council's ability to put us in debt for a century on a stupid streetcar rail line.

[lastonestanding]

Originally Posted by wilson1010

These initiatives are for nothing but appearances. It makes no sense to have dedicated rails anywhere in the midwest. The minuscule energy savings dedicated rails provide are dwarfed by the construction cost, land appropriation and maintenance of a rail system. Its stupid to even consider dedicated rails other than as a symbol and only for appearances. Not what we need or can afford in Cincinnati.

I think light rail systems in the some midwest cities would not be a problem, but truthfully its all about planning. I think Cincinnati would do well with a light rail system if they knew exactly how to utilize taxpayers dollars. I actually remember a few years ago Toledo was considering having light rail, but money that could have been used for light rail was actually used on a bridge that glows in the dark.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by lastonestanding

I think light rail systems in the some midwest cities would not be a problem, but truthfully its all about planning. I think Cincinnati would do well with a light rail system

Of course it will ... Otherwise, how does a city with our population have some of the worst traffic congestion in the country? Is there a resolution to this problem? Yes, there is.

[wilson1010]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Of course it will ... Otherwise, how does a city with our population have some of the worst traffic congestion in the country? Is there a resolution to this problem? Yes, there is.

I answered your question. Did I miss your answer to mine?

[Cincy-Rise]

Wilson, I live in 45202 as well. I knew you lived in the city, but if I left you off the list ... it would've been a little odd. I also find it odd that as a city resident, you would be against a streetcar system.


There is definitely a pattern in the Cincinnati metro, it's not hard to see this.

I would guess that the majority of the city population would be for a streetcar system ... we enjoy nightlife, entertainment, feel comfortable with large crowds, enjoy and embrace diversity, do not like driving or driving far, appreciate being able to walk to destinations, are usually Democratic, are liberal, etc... If you agree with the above statement, then I'm dumbfounded as to why you would be against a circulator?

Suburban folks usually enjoy the opposite, this is typically why they are the loudest and I assume mostly stand alone in their anti-streetcar rants. Ironically, they mostly do not live in the city and should keep their conservative, backwards thinking opinions to themselves.



BTW, is Cunningham upset that NOKY wants a streetcar system too?

Originally Posted by wilson1010

Your rhetorical question is noted and rejected as absurd. If you think that building a sidewalk is the same as a rail system, we need not compare ideas on this further. I respect your right to that opinion without agreeing with it.

But, you know, on reflection, I would have to say that if a majority of the citizens in a community wanted to restrict their own government so that any particular matter should have to come to a vote of the people, I think I'd agree with it, unless that would result in abridging the rights of the minority. I doubt that the majority of the community would vote to require council to bring a sidewalk construction to a public vote though. But, let's just see how many folks vote to limit the City Council's ability to put us in debt for a century on a stupid streetcar rail line.

The best way to plan for success is to look at our past, this is why I'm confused as why anyone would want to look to this state?



Using the above comment is also why I am for the streetcar.

I actually use them when visiting other cities. I know what they did for Cincinnati pre-auto/sprawl takeover. I'm familiar with our amazing city neighborhoods and how they were formed. I'm familiar with our old streetcar system map and I'm familiar with the time frame of our population decline and coincidentally streetcar systems being bought up from underneath our feet ... which is why I am for it.

[Cincy-Rise]

What do America’s Top Ten Cities Have in Common?

Outside Magazine published this list of America’s Top Ten Cites. One thing they all have in common—Streetcars. Every city on the list is either operating or in the planning stages for a streetcar system. Do great cities build streetcars, or do streetcars build great cities? Or both?

Albuquerque, New Mexico: Advanced Planning for a Streetcar

Atlanta, Georgia: Operates Heavy Rail, Advanced Planning for a Streetcar

Austin, Texas: Operates Commuter Rail, Planning Streetcar

Boston, Massachusetts: Operates Subway and Streetcar

Charlotte, North Carolina: Operates Light Rail, Constructing a Streetcar

Cincinnati, Ohio: Planning a Streetcar

Colorado Springs, Colorado: Preliminary Planning for a Streetcar

Minneapolis, Minnesota: Operates Light Rail, Planning a Streetcar

Portland, Oregon: Operates Light Rail and Streetcar

Seattle, Washington: Operates Light Rail and Streetcar


Coincidence? I don't think so...


We can learn a lot from ATL, Charlotte, Portland, Austin, and Seattle.


What are your guys thoughts on this point? I'm honestly curious.

[NCbyChoice]

Cincy-Rise, I know you are more interested in the opinions of your fellow Cincinnatians, but I am originally from Cincy and now reside in Charlotte, NC. I can honestly say without a doubt that a street car system/ lightrail/ heavy rail would be extremely beneficial for the entire Cincinnati metro area.

Here in Charlotte, we only have one leg of four opened of our lightrail system and I can say that it has completely changed the dynamic of the city. Our train extends 12 miles into the burbs and is never anything less than standing room only by the time it reaches the city core.

Our system too was met with heavy opposition, but our city leaders pretty much said f#$% it - we're doing it anyways. Now, many of those that protested against it are some of the most frequent users.

Bottom line, it's practical for any city that wants to continue to evolve for the better.