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View Poll Results: what are the second tier southern metros
Austin 103 42.21%
Charlotte 136 55.74%
New Orleans 97 39.75%
Raleigh 55 22.54%
Nashville 91 37.30%
Memphis 46 18.85%
Tampa 86 35.25%
Orlando 79 32.38%
Jacksonville 33 13.52%
Richmond 41 16.80%
Virginia Beach-Norfolk 35 14.34%
Louisville 39 15.98%
San Antonio 83 34.02%
other, did I leave the other important one out? 11 4.51%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 244. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-26-2010, 02:38 PM
 
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It's not like your list was anymore acurate so it's not like i would have made a difference.

My list was the best...the ultimate...and accurate.
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Old 06-26-2010, 02:42 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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My list was the best...the ultimate...and accurate.
If you say so. Culturally you can't exclude half of Florida and Texas, but include all of Louisiana and Arkansas. Geographically you have to take it all, but since you say so.. your list is the ultimate.
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Old 06-26-2010, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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This is a bit off topic, but i have wondered about Austin's relatively low GDP of 80ish billion. We have UT, the capitol, large number of high tech companies, and were rated as the number 1 metro with disposable income spending. Unemployment is at 6.9% which is much lower than most of the other cities mentioned. Just not sure of the reason for its low GDP.

I was thinking it was possibly due to low cost of living, but Austin really isn't much if any cheaper than some of the other locations mentioned. And if you compare it to just Fort Worth area, they curb stomp us in GDP. However, if you visited both towns, you would think Austin has a lot more money. Another example would be how Charlotte can have about 1/3rd more GDP than Austin but almost double the unemployment. Guess what it boils down to is that do we overstate the importance of GDP on city vs city or am I not understanding its importance.
Austin is still only a metro of 1.7 million.

Heres some of the GAP of the metros mentioned.

Charlotte-118,350-1.8 million
Tampa-110,510-2.7 million
Orlando-103,985-2 million
San Antonio-80,896-2 million
Austin-80,077-1.7 million
Nashville-78,944-1.6 million
New Orleans-72,395-1.2 million

IMO, those are the only valid top tier 2 southern metros, with maybe Relaigh-Durham. I think people are underestimating Tampa, its the largest tier 2 metro, by a lot, and has about 4 million people in its region. And even with having all those people, it only has the 2nd largest economy out of the listed cities, YET it still is the 2nd largest economy.
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Old 06-26-2010, 03:53 PM
 
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I don't see them ever being linked like a true megalopolis in the case of the NE or even the S. Florida baby-mega anytime soon. The Tampa/St. Pete area will continue to grow into a metro of 4 million or so and Orlando into one of about 3 million, but I see them remaining separate. Even that growth will take time since things have slowed down considerably, but I fear without better infrastructure and some limits on sprawl, we'll never see the density and linkage as other so called megalopolises.
I find this post most interesting. I have heard of a region forming between Tampa and Orlando and it being referred to as Orlampa. I have also heard San Antonio developing towards Austin. Also, Charlotte and Raleigh, along with the Piedmont Triad are known as the Piedmont Crescent, the most developed and urbanized region in NC. For these areas infrastructure is vital and denser planning is needed to best utilize utilities. The spread out sprawl is hazardous to the environment and can be taxing for local government official to regulate.
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Old 06-26-2010, 03:58 PM
 
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Austin is still only a metro of 1.7 million.

Heres some of the GAP of the metros mentioned.

Charlotte-118,350-1.8 million
Tampa-110,510-2.7 million
Orlando-103,985-2 million
San Antonio-80,896-2 million
Austin-80,077-1.7 million
Nashville-78,944-1.6 million
New Orleans-72,395-1.2 million

IMO, those are the only valid top tier 2 southern metros, with maybe Relaigh-Durham. I think people are underestimating Tampa, its the largest tier 2 metro, by a lot, and has about 4 million people in its region. And even with having all those people, it only has the 2nd largest economy out of the listed cities, YET it still is the 2nd largest economy.
I agree with Tampa being underestimated. I figured it would be trumping this polls. I think if all of the economic activity that made the Tampa Bay populace of 4 million was taken into account it would be larger than $110 billion.
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Old 06-26-2010, 04:05 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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I agree with Tampa being underestimated. I figured it would be trumping this polls. I think if all of the economic activity that made the Tampa Bay populace of 4 million was taken into account it would be larger than $110 billion.
Tampa Bay has 4 mil people? Wow, I always thought it was a little over 2 mil.
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Old 06-26-2010, 04:18 PM
 
Location: ☀ ѕυnѕнιne ѕтaтe ☀
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Tampa Bay has 4 mil people? Wow, I always thought it was a little over 2 mil.
Is when you include the other surrounding counties which are culturally and economically tied to Tampa/St. Pete.
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Old 06-26-2010, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Orlando - South
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I heard that eventually all of I-4 will be an urban corridor from Daytona beach through Orlando and to Tampa. High speed rail will help tie Tampa and Orlandos economies. Most of I-4 is already urban. It's supposed to be a "high tech" corridor.
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Old 06-26-2010, 05:11 PM
 
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Tampa Bay has 4 mil people? Wow, I always thought it was a little over 2 mil.
What FLAboy said. It's the unofficial CSA
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Old 06-27-2010, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Jersey Boy living in Florida
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I think it's funny that Jacksonville is the largest city in Florida but it's thought of as a second tier city. Just goes to show you that Miami runs things.
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