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Everything I posted is Gov and military web sites. The armed forces are everywhere, and the major hubs are some of the cities you included, but you have to move S.A. way up on your list.
Since Sacramento was left off the list, I asked the OP to calculate the numbers for Sacramento. I figured SAC would rank in the top 20 on some of these lists or just below the #20 spot; therefore, deserving to be mentioned.
On one list, SAC ranked higher than both San Antonio and Jacksonville, not bad considering SACramento lost ALL it’s military installations within the county limits in the mid 90’s.
[Rank] [Area] [Total Active Armed Forces] 1 VA Beach/Newport/Norfolk/Hampton/Portsmouth 127,808
2 San Diego (includes Pendleton) 106,168
3 DC/Baltimore/Annapolis CSA 78,176
4 Seattle/Puget Sound CSA 55,624
5 Fayetteville, NC 47,800
6 Jacksonville, NC 43,069
7 Jacksonville, FL-Camden County, GA 42,411
8 Honolulu/Oahu 41,952
9 Fort Hood, TX (Bell County/Killeen, TX) 39,937
10 Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach 34,421
11 Columbus, GA 33,000
12 LA CSA 26,588
13 Nashville CSA 23,299
14 San Antonio 22,327
15 Charleston-Beaufort 21,809
16 Savannah 20,000
17 Louisville CSA 18,296
18 Colorado Springs 15,565 19 SACRAMENTO 15,652 20 DFW CSA 14,897
21 Philadelphia-Trenton CSA 14,745
[Rank] [Area] [Total Military Personnel (Including Civilians)] 1 VA Beach/Newport/Norfolk/Hampton/Portsmouth 181,500
2 San Diego (includes Pendleton) 156,578
3 DC/Baltimore/Annapolis CSA 140,697
4 Seattle/Puget Sound CSA 78,488
5 Honolulu/Oahu 63,301
6 Fayetteville, NC 58,037
7 Jacksonville, FL-Camden County, GA 54,258
8 Jacksonville, NC 52,746
9 Pensacola-Fort Walton Beach 47,328
10 Fort Hood, TX (Bell County/Killeen, TX) 44,069
11 Columbus, GA 39,824
12 LA CSA 38,103
13 San Antonio 37,661
14 Philadelphia-Trenton CSA 26,716
15 Charleston-Beaufort 26,633
16 Nashville CSA 26,134
17 Chicago CSA 24,306
18 Oklahoma City CSA 22,802
19 Louisville CSA 21,917
20 Savannah 21,511
21 Colorado Springs 20,672 22 SACRAMENTO 20,265
[Rank] [Area] [Military Population (Including Military Families)] 1 VA Beach/Newport/Norfolk/Hampton/Portsmouth 351,387
2 San Diego (includes Pendleton) 277,568
3 DC/Baltimore/Annapolis CSA 216,939
4 Fort Hood, TX (Bell County/Killeen, TX) 156,320
5 Seattle/Puget Sound CSA 142,139
6 Jacksonville, FL-Camden County, GA 126,975
7 Louisville CSA 108,373
8 Honolulu/Oahu 107,380
9 Columbus, GA 93,632
10 Jacksonville, NC 90,975
11 Pensacola-Fort Walton Beach 79,746
12 Fayetteville, NC 75,019
13 Nashville CSA 65,248
14 San Antonio 62,070
15 Savannah 58,814
16 LA CSA 55,158
17 Atlanta CSA 53,944
18 Charleston-Beaufort 45,582
19 Philadelphia-Trenton CSA 34,315
20 Tucson 34,298 21 SACRAMENTO 24,498
[Rank] [Area] [Civilian Veterans] *(Notice that several military towns like DC-Baltimore, Seattle, San Diego, VA Beach, and Jacksonville have higher than usual numbers for their respective populations)*
1 New York/N NJ/LI/SW CT CSA 1,042,277
2 LA CSA 844,050
3 DC/Baltimore/Annapolis CSA 671,723
4 Chicago CSA 527,538
5 Philadelphia CSA 456,746
6 DFW CSA 413,882
7 Bay Area CSA 400,683
8 Seattle-Puget Sound CSA 381,794
9 Atlanta CSA 379,750
10 Detroit CSA 365,771
11 Phoenix 320,612
12 Miami/S FL 293,160
13 Boston Area 286,698
14 Tampa Bay Area 283,475
15 San Diego 252,898
16 St. Louis CSA 247,868
17 Denver CSA 222,066
18 VA Beach/Newport News/Norfolk 216,806 19 SACRAMENTO 193,273 20 San Antonio 191,079
21 Jacksonville, FL-Camden County, GA 183,600
[Rank] [Area] [% of Total Population That Is Military (Retired or Active) or civilians employed by military and their family]
SACRAMENTO 9.15% - not bad for a city that lost ALL of it’s military bases in the 90’s.
Now for the least military cities.
[Rank] [Area] [% of Total Population That Is Military (Retired or Active) or civilians employed by military and their family]
SACRAMENTO has a higher military ratio (9.15%) than all CSAs below.
66 Miami/SE FL 5%
65 New York/N NJ/LI/SW CT CSA 5%
64 Bay Area CSA 6%
63 Chicago CSA 6%
62 LA Area CSA 6%
61 Fresno 7%
60 Salt Lake City-Ogden-Provo CSA 7%
59 Boston Area 7%
58 Detroit CSA 7%
57 Dallas-Fort Worth CSA 7%
56 New Orleans CSA 8%
55 Memphis 8%
54 Providence/Newport/Cape Cod 8%
53 Denver CSA 8%
52 Phoenix 8%
51 Atlanta CSA 8%
50 Philadelphia-Trenton CSA 8%
49 Mobile 9%
48 Albany, NY 9%
47 Kansas City CSA 9%
***Not every single metro/CSA was examined. Only metros/CSAs that had a base of some sort. For instance Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Columbus, Austin, Sacramento, Portland, Orlando, Minneapolis, Buffalo, Indianapolis, and Birmingham are left off the list. It is doubtful that they have really high civilian military populations that would make them "military" cities.
Just becasue a city may have a higher population doesn't mean it automatically equates to more veterans or active duty. If a city grew by a million people over night, not one of those people could be Military or a veteran.
My apologies to jsimms3 and to the original poster, california sur, in my above post. I mis-spoke when I said I asked the original poster to calculate the numbers.
I should have said:
Since Sacramento was left off the list, I asked jsimms3 to calculate the numbers for Sacramento. I figured SAC would rank in the top 20 on some of these lists or just below the #20 spot; therefore, deserving to be mentioned.
On one list, SAC ranked higher than both San Antonio and Jacksonville, not bad considering SACramento lost ALL it’s military installations within the county limits in the mid 90’s.
My apologies to jsimms3 and to the original poster, california sur, in my above post. I mis-spoke when I said I asked the original poster to calculate the numbers.
I should have said:
Since Sacramento was left off the list, I asked jsimms3 to calculate the numbers for Sacramento. I figured SAC would rank in the top 20 on some of these lists or just below the #20 spot; therefore, deserving to be mentioned.
On one list, SAC ranked higher than both San Antonio and Jacksonville, not bad considering SACramento lost ALL it’s military installations within the county limits in the mid 90’s.
SweethomeSanAntonio, you keep saying that San Antonio has twice as many this that or the other from what's posted above (numbers taken straight from the military and the Census). If San Antonio's numbers above are wrong, then it could be that every city's numbers are wrong. Other cities could also have more people, and maybe SA would not advance the numbers ranks. Regardless, I did try to find any numbers for SA different from what I posted and I could not. I went to the local paper, and google, and nothing gave me anything different (and aside from the Census I could not find any numbers for GI retirees/civilian veterans). You mind sharing any links? I have yet to hear of anything from you that would indicate San Antonio has twice as many active or retired military personnel than listed above.
I will post a ton of pictures of area military installations, including San Antonio's soon. I must say, that while San Antonio does not have the highest amount of active personnel in the area (compared to VA Beach, SD, and other places), it does have several large bases and large veterans' hospitals. I was impressed. I would bump SA up my list because of this "computer tour" I took. It's just hard to surpass a major naval base when one ship could support 5,000 troops/civilian workers. You put a couple naval bases in a city, and military employment will be much higher than having AFBs or army bases simply because the ships are so much work and so huge. Think about it, naval/amphibious ships transport army, marine, and air force troops and equipment to overseas destinations. They also fit navy personnel. An aircraft carrier is the size of a new Royal Carribean ship (about 1100 feet long and 200 feet wide by 200 feet tall).
Think about how many crew live on that ship. Then think about how many military and civilian personnel maintain and support that ship. Then factor in all of the families. An aircraft carrier could support a 15,000 person town on its own, which is larger than most military bases. There are 11 active carriers in operation in this country (CVS Enterprise is about to be mothballed, though). These carriers are currently split between Norfolk, San Diego, and Seattle, but Jacksonville will be getting the final and newest carrier from Norfolk soon (we just lost a carrier).
To start these two below are wrong. I already posted government websites and military news websites. your list is some other source, they are not inside the military. I have not yet seen a census link you provided. If I missed it please post. The others I have to look in to a little futher. One list you have 62K for all military personal including familes thats wrong. Then you have 37K military personal including civilians.
[Rank] [Area] [Total Military Personnel (Including Civilians)]
1 VA Beach/Newport/Norfolk/Hampton/Portsmouth 181,500
2 San Diego (includes Pendleton) 156,578
3 DC/Baltimore/Annapolis CSA 140,697
4 Seattle/Puget Sound CSA 78,488
5 Honolulu/Oahu 63,301
6 Fayetteville, NC 58,037
7 Jacksonville, FL-Camden County, GA 54,258
8 Jacksonville, NC 52,746
9 Pensacola-Fort Walton Beach 47,328
10 Fort Hood, TX (Bell County/Killeen, TX) 44,069
11 Columbus, GA 39,824
12 LA CSA 38,103
13 San Antonio 37,661
14 Philadelphia-Trenton CSA 26,716
15 Charleston-Beaufort 26,633
16 Nashville CSA 26,134
17 Chicago CSA 24,306
18 Oklahoma City CSA 22,802
19 Louisville CSA 21,917
20 Savannah 21,511
21 Colorado Springs 20,672 22 SACRAMENTO 20,265
[Rank] [Area] [Military Population (Including Military Families)]
1 VA Beach/Newport/Norfolk/Hampton/Portsmouth 351,387
2 San Diego (includes Pendleton) 277,568
3 DC/Baltimore/Annapolis CSA 216,939
4 Fort Hood, TX (Bell County/Killeen, TX) 156,320
5 Seattle/Puget Sound CSA 142,139
6 Jacksonville, FL-Camden County, GA 126,975
7 Louisville CSA 108,373
8 Honolulu/Oahu 107,380
9 Columbus, GA 93,632
10 Jacksonville, NC 90,975
11 Pensacola-Fort Walton Beach 79,746
12 Fayetteville, NC 75,019
13 Nashville CSA 65,248
14 San Antonio 62,070
15 Savannah 58,814
16 LA CSA 55,158
17 Atlanta CSA 53,944
18 Charleston-Beaufort 45,582
19 Philadelphia-Trenton CSA 34,315
20 Tucson 34,298 21 SACRAMENTO 24,498
Rank] [Area] [Military Population (Including Military Families)]
1 VA Beach/Newport/Norfolk/Hampton/Portsmouth 351,387
2 San Diego (includes Pendleton) 277,568
3 DC/Baltimore/Annapolis CSA 216,939
4 Fort Hood, TX (Bell County/Killeen, TX) 156,320
5 Seattle/Puget Sound CSA 142,139
6 Jacksonville, FL-Camden County, GA 126,975
7 Louisville CSA 108,373
8 Honolulu/Oahu 107,380
9 Columbus, GA 93,632
10 Jacksonville, NC 90,975
11 Pensacola-Fort Walton Beach 79,746
12 Fayetteville, NC 75,019
13 Nashville CSA 65,248
14 San Antonio 62,070
15 Savannah 58,814
16 LA CSA 55,158
17 Atlanta CSA 53,944
18 Charleston-Beaufort 45,582
19 Philadelphia-Trenton CSA 34,315
20 Tucson 34,298 21 SACRAMENTO 24,498
This source below has as follows. This is not the stats you have for S.A. Just these bases have over 114,000 Military personel currently not the 37,661 you claim. I'm not including Brooks City Base which is another 6,000 at the aerospace medical school. Relocating to San Antonio | Military Presence
Lackland 29,100 miltary personel not including familes.
The population of the AFB is approximately 46,000, of which 20,300 are military and 7,800 are civilians. Approximately 17,900 are dependants. Among military personnel, approximately 48% live off-base and 52% live on-base. Lackland consists of 2,105 facilities, 1,300 buildings, 431 family housing units, 731 privatized housing units and 1,315 vehicles. In 2008, the base had an estimated economic impact of $1,913,825,043.
Of the 120 units stationed at Lackland, only 36 are assigned to the 37th Training Wing. The Command’s 433rd Airlift Wing accounts for 22 units. Another 18 units are under the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency and the 67th Network Warfare Wing. An additional 18 Air Combat Command units are also stationed at Lackland. The remaining units are within the 59th Medical Wing, the Texas Air National Guard’s 149th Fighter Wing and other tenant units, agencies and centers General Information
Lackland AFB encompasses 9,797 acres southwest of San Antonio. It is located off of Highway 90 from the east and 410-West from the north or south. Lackland is home to the 37th Training Wing which provides training to enlisted people entering the Air Force, Air Force Reserve, Air National Guard, government agencies and allies. The four primary training functions are basic military, professional, technical and English language proficiency. More than 86,000 students graduate each year and more than seven million airmen have completed training since 1946
FT. Sam 47,200 military personel not including families. As of 2010-2011 military personel will be over 60,000 thanks to BRAC
FSH supports 35 Army, two Air Force, five Navy/Marine, two joint service, seven DoD, five federal, three state and five private organizations. FSH is the fourth-largest employer in San Antonio. The current work force consists of approximately 35,900 military personnel (including active, reserve and National Guard), approximately 8,500 civilians as well as an additional 3,000 contract employees and other workers. Approximately 47,200 Army members reside at FSH. The current number of family members residing on the post is approximately 8,000 and about 113,300 military retirees and family members also live in the area.
All military medical training will be consolidated at FSH with the opening of the Military Education and Training Campus (METC) in 2011. The Navy will move its medical training from three locations and the Air Force will move its training from the Sheppard Air Force Base to FSH. This is expected to increase the student body population by 9,000 and will require an additional support staff of 4,000.
Camp Bullis 11,656 military personel not including families.
As mentioned in the beginning of this chapter, the BRAC will transform FSH, Camp Bullis and its surrounding communities. By 2011, an additional 23 Army, six Air Force and seven Navy organizations will be supported by FSH. During 2006-2008, 1,656 personnel moved to the post. An additional 10,000 new personnel will arrive in 2010-2011, many of whom will be accompanied by their families. To accommodate this dependant population growth, $20 million in funds have been allocated for the construction of a middle school, gymnasium, media center and technology center.
Randolph 12,200 miitary personel not including families.
— General Information
Randolph AFB is located in Universal City, approximately 30 minutes northeast of San Antonio. It is accessible from the IH-35 and I-10 roadways. Randolph is the headquarters of the Air Education and Training Command (AETC), the Air Force Personnel Center (AFPC) and the 12th Flying Training Wing (12 FTW). The 12 FTW headquarters is known throughout the Air Force as “The Taj” because of its similarities in appearance to the Taj Mahal. The 12 FTW is also the host wing for Randolph. Additonally, the AFB is home to the Air Force Manpower Agency, Air Force Office of Special Investigations Field Investigations Region 4 and the Air Force Recruiting Service. Randolph is known as “the Showplace of the Air Force” because of its Spanish Colonial Revival style architecture.
The base employs over 5,700 military personnel and 6,500 civilians. Its economic impact region spans a 50-mile radius and nearly $224 million associated with indirect jobs is generated by the base. Furthermore, it accounts for a total annual payroll of nearly $648 million that is spent in the local community.
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SweethomeSanAntonio, you keep saying that San Antonio has twice as many this that or the other from what's posted above (numbers taken straight from the military and the Census). If San Antonio's numbers above are wrong, then it could be that every city's numbers are wrong.
LOL, I see you have never come across SHSA's posts before.
She always tries to make SA out to be more than it really is. Her proofs are always messed up quotes written by people from SA or wikipedia.
The claims are always wild.
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