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Originally Posted by BPerone201
"Look, be fair, if you take 1 sq mile of buckhead on peachtree st and peidmont..."
30305 is the Peachtree/Tuxedo Park area of Buckhead-
Population: 21,381
Land area: 5 square miles
Population density: 4,028
The rest of Buckhead's zip codes and stats:
30309-
Population: 23,966
Land Area: 3.5 square miles
Population density: 6,941
30318-
Population: 68,077
Land Area: 20 square miles
Population density: 3,253
30319-
Population: 43,519
Land Area: 10 square miles
Population Density: 4,444
30324-
Population: 25,984
Land Area: 5 square miles
Population density: 4,960
30326-
Population: 1,374
Land Area: less than 1 square mile
Population density: 1,858
30327-
Population: 26,861
Land Area: 17 square miles
Population density: 1,521
30342-
Population: 33,005
Land Area: 9 square miles
Population density: 3,757
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There is no one square mile area of Buckhead that has a population anywhere near Hoboken. So access and walkability in Hoboken clearly excels when it comes to all the people living among the city life.
I'm aware that Buckhead has a thriving nigtlife/job district, but the vast majority of Buckheads residents live beyond that one square mile.
A few notes:
1. 30309 is Midtown, not Buckhead
2. 30319 (my zip) isn't entirely in the City of Atlanta. It in fact crosses 3 other municipalities and two counties. The part of it in Buckhead is about 2 square miles, but has about 10 to 15000 residents.
3. Judging how urban a place is by population density is not always the best route to go. For one, Hoboken is three times as dense as Chicago, twice San Francisco, 2.5 times more than Boston, and even beats New York City by a few thousand people per square mile. Are you prepared to state how Hoboken is more urban than any of those places based on it's population density alone?
4. Atlanta, and especially Buckhead, is an oddly laid out place where things like overall population density doesn't give you a good idea. Using my own block of Buckhead as an example:
I live in a midrise building on less than half an acre with about 100 residents. Across the street is a 30 story condo tower, by hind the building is a several rowhouses, and to the side of that are older SFHs and a forest. Atlanta is laid out more arterially not in a solid, OCD pleasing, tight grid like New York or other places.
Youre pitiful.One of the Top wealthiest communities in the country with,Neimans,Tiffany's ,Saks,Versace,Cartier,etc....but its "redneck" in a city with majority of black residents?
Crdibility keeps dropping by the minute.
atlanta gets all excited that they just recently got these shops where that is old hat for everybody else.
The rednecks in alabama still come to atlanta to buy there camo.
I know how yall do it in the "A". Atlanta just came to fame with shopping in the past 20 years, same with growth, same with importance.
It is like someone who lives in a trailer winning a mili in the lotto. They are broke as hell and then finally get something so they belive they are big time now. fall back, son
2. 30319 (my zip) isn't entirely in the City of Atlanta. It in fact crosses 3 other municipalities and two counties. The part of it in Buckhead is about 2 square miles, but has about 10 to 15000 residents.
3. Judging how urban a place is by population density is not always the best route to go. For one, Hoboken is three times as dense as Chicago, twice San Francisco, 2.5 times more than Boston, and even beats New York City by a few thousand people per square mile. Are you prepared to state how Hoboken is more urban than any of those places based on it's population density alone?
4. Atlanta, and especially Buckhead, is an oddly laid out place where things like overall population density doesn't give you a good idea. Using my own block of Buckhead as an example:
I live in a midrise building on less than half an acre with about 100 residents. Across the street is a 30 story condo tower, by hind the building is a several rowhouses, and to the side of that are older SFHs and a forest. Atlanta is laid out more arterially not in a solid, OCD pleasing, tight grid like New York or other places.
#3 big No, if you were paying attention to the whole conversation, I was trying to compare a square mile in Buckhead to Hoboken. It's only fair- and since you're pointing out that there's no logic in comparing NYC/Chi/etc to Hoboken, then why is everyone consistently trying to compare all of Buckhead to Hoboken? There's just too many obstacles, many of them giving the edge to Hoboken since Buckeahd is very big and has sizable areas that aren't even that urban at all.
I googlemapped both Hoboken and Buckhead. Hoboken is obviously a very old city that developed in the late 1800s and early 1900s, with lots of medium-density neighborhoods composed primarily of brownstones, and small apartment buildings. Buckhead has some pleasant looking mid-century neighborhoods composed of small detached houses on separate lots, ringed by post WWII suburban type residential development composed of ranch-style houses on big lots, and some larger 'mansion style housing" (I was told by another poster not to call them "mini-mansions") in some areas. These neighborhoods are obviously medium-to-low density. Many of the streets have no sidewalks (despite being within the city limits of Atlanta). Along Peachtree Rd, some sections that are lined by late-20th century high rise residential buildings that are obviously high density. Other sections of Peachtree are lined by 50s-60s era strip malls. Outside of that, commercial development seems to be large-scale, concentrated on "superblocks", whereas, Hoboken's commercial activity is dispersed and smaller in scale. IMHO, both Buckhead (a section of a large city), and Hoboken (a small city adjacent to a huge city) both have their strengths, and both are appealing to me, but back to the OP's question, I have to confirm my initial reaction that Hoboken offers much better opportunities for "city living" than Buckhead.
Now that's the best post I've seen throughout the thread.
No you did not, but believe as you may. And re-read my post. Again you cherry picked counter points
And 89 is below an area i would choose, but again thread was not to assess overall walkability but is a factor and I choose Buckhead as a known comodity that affords city living.
Just as an FYI, my current neighborhood is a 100 and where I just moved from is a 99, and 89 is equivalent to the suburb I grew up, two more blocks off peachtree and the numbers drop significantly.
So all these places are like the suburb you grew up in and lack walkability because they are all under 89:
Not to mention most of Hoboken since the areas that I looked up are below 89... and I was fair... I think Washington is a major street there.
I think we agreed on most parts , but you said there are "no parts of Buckhead that are walkable... far from it...." I clearly proved that there are some areas of Buckhead that are very walkable because a score of 89 reads, according to the site, "very walkable"... . There are some that score a lot lower, but we are comparing a one mile area of Buckhead to Hoboken.
I admire you... in the face of all evidence you stay stong and stick to your original though.... but as a person who lives and walks in Buckhead all the time to get most of what I need and would rather take transit to the southside than drive... you would be wrong if you think Buckhead is not walkable with a "measly" score of 89
Last edited by theATLien; 07-18-2010 at 08:24 PM..
I think we agreed on most parts , but you said there are "no parts of Buckhead that are walkable... far from it...." I clearly proved that there are some areas of Buckhead that are very walkable because a score of 89 reads, according to the site, "very walkable"... . There are some that score a lot lower, but we are comparing a one mile area of Buckhead to Hoboken.
Keep working that angle duke................ I'm positive it's a winner for you & your cause.
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. There are some that score a lot lower, but we are comparing a one mile area of Buckhead to Hoboken. 
