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Old 07-21-2010, 10:09 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Is Vancouver better because it's denser?
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Fair enough, maybe not London, but what about comparing Atlanta and Houston to Vancouver?

Vancouver I believe was founded less than 150 years ago. It's population is definitely under a million. Yet is vastly dense, walkable, and filled with very lush parks. According to Wikipedia it's the 3rd largest film production centre in North America after New York and Los Angeles.

Have you been to Vancouver? You must go if you haven't. It's fantastic and one of my favorite cities in the world. I highly recommend it to anyone on City-Data to see how well planned out it is.

Vancouver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes, I have been there and absolutely loved it.

Canadian urban planning principles would simply not work in much of the U.S. You have to also remember that cities that are hemmed in by mountains and large bodies of water always tend to more dense, so not a fair comparison.
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Is Vancouver better because it's denser?
I reckon it is. Did you read all the recognition is receives in that Wikipedia article? Environmentally friendly, clean, great industry, tourist destination. It should be a model for all North American cities.
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:18 AM
 
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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Fair enough, maybe not London, but what about comparing Atlanta and Houston to Vancouver?

Vancouver I believe was founded less than 150 years ago. It's population is definitely under a million. Yet is vastly dense, walkable, and filled with very lush parks. According to Wikipedia it's the 3rd largest film production centre in North America after New York and Los Angeles.

It is also surrounded by water. They have to build up because they don't have the space to build out. In places where there is a lot of land, cities build out because they can and build up because they want to.

Secondly, population density is a measurement of how many people live in a given area. That's it. Just because a municipality has a certain population density on paper because of it's population size and civil boundaries, doesn't mean it lacks high density development.


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Have you been to Vancouver? You must go if you haven't. It's fantastic and one of my favorite cities in the world. I highly recommend it to anyone on City-Data to see how well planned out it is.

Vancouver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why is it that you assume people don't know what the rest of the world is like?
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yes, I have been there and absolutely loved it.

Canadian urban planning principles would simply not work in much of the U.S. You have to also remember that cities that are hemmed in by mountains and large bodies of water always tend to more dense, so not a fair comparison.
Yes, the geography plays a huge role in Vancouver, because the city is limited as to where it could grow.

I'm not familiar with the differences between Canadian and U.S. urban planning principles though. How does that affect growth?
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:21 AM
 
Location: The City
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Yes, the geography plays a huge role in Vancouver, because the city is limited as to where it could grow.

I'm not familiar with the differences between Canadian and U.S. urban planning principles though. How does that affect growth?

It really does not significantly, the dollar is the biggest factor - cheap development and a demand in newer US development
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It is also surrounded by water. They have to build up because they don't have the space to build out. In places where there is a lot of land, cities build out because they can and build up because they want to.

Secondly, population density is a measurement of how many people live in a given area. That's it. Just because a municipality has a certain population density on paper because of it's population size and civil boundaries, doesn't mean it lacks high density development.




Why is it that you assume people don't know what the rest of the world is like?
Americans do have an unfortunate reputation for not being well-travelled. They are more likely not to have ever left their country at all. I'm making suppositions after I read this forum that based on some of the commentary, many (but not all) people here have not experienced different cultures.
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:26 AM
 
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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Americans do have an unfortunate reputation for not being well-travelled. They are more likely not to have ever left their country at all. I'm making suppositions after I read this forum that based on some of the commentary, many (but not all) people here have not experienced different cultures.
Well, you are right in that you are making assumptions. Funny how you make that charge whilst committing the same offense yourself....
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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It really does not significantly, the dollar is the biggest factor - cheap development and a demand in newer US development
You might want to rethink this stance.

Look at the VAST amounts of highrise apartments and condos on the outskirts of the major Canadian cities. Now name an American counterpart to this.

It is a different world North of the border when it comes to urban planning, and I stand by my original statement.
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:49 AM
 
Location: The City
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You might want to rethink this stance.

Look at the VAST amounts of highrise apartments and condos on the outskirts of the major Canadian cities. Now name an American counterpart to this.

It is a different world North of the border when it comes to urban planning, and I stand by my original statement.

Yes and no - Bellevue Wash, DC but less than north of the border
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