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Old 08-17-2010, 07:18 AM
 
Location: NJ
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You're dwelling on the negative is all I'm saying.
I was just given the poor women some credit, but then you come by saying she's a a train wreck, waste who HAD talent. You're the one that needs to calm down if you ask me.

Anyway, this is off topic.
i'm not "dwelling" on anything, you're the one who got all upset because I called someone you don't even KNOW a train wreck. how bizarre is that?

anyway, this is silly. i'll save my empathy for someone who is in real hardship, not some spoiled rich has-been singer, given the world, but wastes her talent and blows through millions and millions of dollars.
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Old 08-17-2010, 07:32 AM
 
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-Despite having a 100 year head start, and a much more extensive service, MARTA averages about the same ridership per mile as Chicago's L.

-Despite Philadelphia having 3 times the population as the city of Atlanta and 2.5 the population density, SEPTA only manages 70,000 more subway boardings than MARTA per day
I just happened upon this thread and had to mention that these figures, while I'm sure are accurate, only show a part of some transit systems. Not saying Atlanta's system is bad, but you can't compare MARTA with just the figures shown in this graph to transit systems in other cities. The graph takes into account Chicago's L but leaves out the heavily used Metra. In Philadelphia, it takes into account the Market Frankford and Broad Street Line but doesn't count Regional Rail or Trolley service. This graph is taking into account only specific rail.

If you were to compare transit systems in other areas excluding buses, then Marta would seem further behind than this graph makes it seem. Since Marta only has two systems, bus and rapid rail, it appears they have a system comparable to other cities when just removing the one, while in other cities you've taken away more than just the buses.

I don't have an opinion on the state of Atlanta's transit, but the graph really doesn't accurately depict non-bus service in some of the cities Atlanta is being compared with.
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Old 08-17-2010, 07:39 AM
 
Location: ITP - City of Atlanta Proper
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Fight brewing over transportation sales tax *| ajc.com

Oh no , MARTA expansions may not happen? Can't say i told you so....
Oh good lord. Did you even read the article? The 'fight' that is brewing on whats going to happen when the new transportation tax the State government passed earlier this year goes into effect. Currently, the City of Atlanta, Fulton, and Dekalb counties pay for MARTA with a sales tax equal to the same one the State just passed. Residents in that area, me include, don't think it's fair that we should have to continue that tax and have another transportation tax added on top. That's all.

Besides, funding trouble for public transportation is a common thing everywhere and not just in Georgia and the South. If you haven't noticed there is a pretty bad recession going on right now...one that is effecting transportation funding in your own backyard too:

NJ Transit subsidy cuts by Gov. Chris Christie may lead to higher fares, service reductions | NJ.com

http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2...1614724894.txt (I think this was resolved)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/nyregion/16nyc.html

MTA Approves Doomsday Cuts (http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/nyc/091216-mta-cuts - broken link)
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Old 08-17-2010, 07:51 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Oh good lord. Did you even read the article? The 'fight' that is brewing on whats going to happen when the new transportation tax the State government passed earlier this year goes into effect. Currently, the City of Atlanta, Fulton, and Dekalb counties pay for MARTA with a sales tax equal to the same one the State just passed. Residents in that area, me include, don't think it's fair that we should have to continue that tax and have another transportation tax added on top. That's all.

Besides, funding trouble for public transportation is a common thing everywhere and not just in Georgia and the South. If you haven't noticed there is a pretty bad recession going on right now...one that is effecting transportation funding in your own backyard too:

NJ Transit subsidy cuts by Gov. Chris Christie may lead to higher fares, service reductions | NJ.com

http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2...1614724894.txt (I think this was resolved)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/nyregion/16nyc.html

MTA Approves Doomsday Cuts (http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/nyc/091216-mta-cuts - broken link)
What does septa and MTA cuts have to do with this? MARTA has always faced these funding problems. Ive debated on another site about MARTA's future and ppl agree thats its not a good one.
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Old 08-17-2010, 07:53 AM
 
Location: ITP - City of Atlanta Proper
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I just happened upon this thread and had to mention that these figures, while I'm sure are accurate, only show a part of some transit systems. Not saying Atlanta's system is bad, but you can't compare MARTA with just the figures shown in this graph to transit systems in other cities. The graph takes into account Chicago's L but leaves out the heavily used Metra. In Philadelphia, it takes into account the Market Frankford and Broad Street Line but doesn't count Regional Rail or Trolley service. This graph is taking into account only specific rail.
Why can't I focus on one service? The subject was about subway usage.

I agree that METRA and SEPTA commuter rail are great systems, but anyone transferring from them to each respective city's subway would be reflected in the previously mentioned post.

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If you were to compare transit systems in other areas excluding buses, then Marta would seem further behind than this graph makes it seem.
Not really since the cities that have additional commuter rail and/or LRT service in addition to subway service would still rank the same way they are in the list I published previously.


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Since Marta only has two systems, bus and rapid rail, it appears they have a system comparable to other cities when just removing the one, while in other cities you've taken away more than just the buses.
Wait, are you suggesting I intentionally fudged the numbers? I stated the facts as they are. Fact #1: MARTA has the 7th most used subway system in the United States. Fact #2: When all forms of public transportation are added up, MARTA is the 9th most used public transportation system in the country.

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I don't have an opinion on the state of Atlanta's transit, but the graph really doesn't accurately depict non-bus service in some of the cities Atlanta is being compared with.


We were just talking subways.
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Old 08-17-2010, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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What does septa and MTA cuts have to do with this? MARTA has always faced these funding problems. Ive debated on another site about MARTA's future and ppl agree thats its not a good one.
Why don't you just stop. You have proven time after time that you wish nothing but ill will towards MARTA, are totally clueless about how everything works here and yet you continue with the doomsday crap.

Stick to your limited knowledge of how transit works in the Northeast. You are doing nothing but embarrassing yourself at this point.
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Old 08-17-2010, 07:55 AM
 
Location: ITP - City of Atlanta Proper
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What does septa and MTA cuts have to do with this? MARTA has always faced these funding problems. Ive debated on another site about MARTA's future and ppl agree thats its not a good one.
Yet despite those problems it continues on. I'm not sure what your point is.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Yet despite those problems it continues on. I'm not sure what your point is.
For some ridiculous reason, he wishes it to fail. He is incredibly bitter about Atlanta for some reason.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:21 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Moving on with pictures....

The Buseit Tri-Electrified Railway JCT in the Western Hempshire


RailPictures.Net Photo: NJ Transit Arrow III at Newark, New Jersey by Eric Williams

28th Largest Station by Track size in the World...


All available sizes | Hoboken Terminal June-13-2009 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/19856120@N00/3622940077/sizes/l/in/faves-42178139@N06/ - broken link)

The First Diesel LRT in the US crossing a creek in South Jersey


All available sizes | 20071208_DSC_0868_RAW_DxO | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schaffner/2111609869/sizes/l/in/faves-42178139@N06/ - broken link)

German Beasts of Trains


All available sizes | NJT ALP-46 4622 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/peet/3342728752/sizes/l/in/faves-42178139@N06/ - broken link)

Central Jersey


All available sizes | Untitled | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/omkevin/1226813202/sizes/l/in/faves-42178139@N06/ - broken link)

Pharmetical Capital of the US aka New Brunswick


All available sizes | From above: New Brunswick, New Jersey | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/timothysschenck/138840190/sizes/l/in/faves-42178139@N06/ - broken link)

State Parks located in the Urban Heart....


All available sizes | NJ Turnpike Spur from Snake Hill | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10916839@N04/2875808560/sizes/l/in/faves-42178139@N06/ - broken link)

Beautiful Colorful Mountains


All available sizes | Mohonk Mountain House in Fall | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jerseylife/4050840979/sizes/l/in/faves-42178139@N06/ - broken link)

Barnegat Light House





Branch Brook Park - Newark's Central Park


All available sizes | Branch Brook Park, Newark and Belleville, NJ: Cherry Blossoms and Lawn | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70626467@N00/3516740537/sizes/l/in/photostream/ - broken link)


All available sizes | Railroad Bridge in Branch Brook Park | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kleepet/4616766305/sizes/l/in/photostream/ - broken link)


All available sizes | The Lake, Branch Brook Park | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cstromek/2364599805/sizes/l/in/photostream/ - broken link)
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:21 AM
 
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My sister move from NJ to Georgia, so I can give a little bit on her thoughts

NJ
better food
better beach access
better water
better transportation
better roads

GA
Better COl
The type of lifestyle she wants to live is more attainable there
better weather
Better government
I know there's more, but the things that stick out in my mind are the things that she misses and we have to bring/send (ie bread, bagels, tasty cakes, Wawa)


Overall, she is happier there, because it is the type of environment she wants to live in. Personally I'm happier in my home town. However, Georgia is lovely and at times reminds me of some of the more desolate regions of my beloved Garden State.





~~~Edit in response to Nexus' Photo's~~~
Didn't NJ used to have the largest train station in the world (at least when it was completed) in terms of track size? I believe it was Communipaw, which sadly is closed, in Jersey City.
Hereford Light in Wildwood is a more scenic Lighthouse IMO Same goes for East Point. Mind you of course Barnaget is better recognized.
Branch Brook Park was designed by the same people who designed Central Park in NYC and I'm pretty sure that Branch Brook is larger.
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