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View Poll Results: Will New York and Phiily have one combine CSA by the 2030 census? ( 20 years from now)
Yes 45 30.41%
No 74 50.00%
Maybe 29 19.59%
Voters: 148. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-07-2015, 05:50 AM
 
Location: The City
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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Hahahahaha that first map is stereotypically accurate!!
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Old 05-07-2015, 11:04 AM
 
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It will take the form of DC - Baltimore but the process will take even longer. It should be noted that only a few folks in the in-between MD counties actually feel like they live in a DC-Baltimore area. The rest of us either live in the DC metro (DMV) or Bmore metro. So yes it will happen but for many, many years it will be nothing more than a stat for census/ city nerds to talk about.
So in answer to your question, the answer is maybe. The Census may combine the two in 20 years. Will it feel like one big area to residents in 20 years....absolutely not. As I said, all your questions about the future NYC-Philly CSA can be answered by looking at DC-Baltimore which is on a much smaller scale. Philly will be even more resentful of such a big brother-small brother union than Baltimore is...and Baltimore aint pleased one bit. Philly hasn't fallen behind anywhere as badly as Baltimore has either. Baltimore kinda needs DC now but Philly doesn't have that relationship with NYC plus DC and Bmore are a lot closer.
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Old 05-07-2015, 06:10 PM
 
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Philly, PA
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Philly is def in its own. But PHIL-NYC are close but they have their own and it doesn't help that Staten Island is 45 Miles from the city line of the Philly (Northeast) ? It might happen one day who knows....but like i've told people before i dont
know of any other major cities that are so close together and hold their own and feel , and look the same or just about...and is well connected between the two.
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Old 05-08-2015, 09:41 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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2030 census is too soon. There are a lot of infrastructural projects such as new rail connections and improvements to current services that would take place between the two areas that are slated to be completed by around that time period or shortly before or after (but generally after since these large projects aren't known for their ability to keep schedule). There are also a number of potential expansions of different commuter rail services that can creep into counties that comprise the other CSA which would cause the census to combine the two.

These infrastructural changes would probably be the push, along with the continued slow but steady population growth of both CSAs, to making the two a single CSA. However, 2040, seems very likely.
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Old 05-09-2015, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Philly, PA
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2030 census is too soon. There are a lot of infrastructural projects such as new rail connections and improvements to current services that would take place between the two areas that are slated to be completed by around that time period or shortly before or after (but generally after since these large projects aren't known for their ability to keep schedule). There are also a number of potential expansions of different commuter rail services that can creep into counties that comprise the other CSA which would cause the census to combine the two.

These infrastructural changes would probably be the push, along with the continued slow but steady population growth of both CSAs, to making the two a single CSA. However, 2040, seems very likely.
NJTRANSIT Has service expansion into NEPA on a schedule i think in 2030 ?? , and also service restored to West Trenton hopefully....alot of expansion projects along with AMTRAK and their upgrades.
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Old 05-09-2015, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Not in the next 20 years. It would require a high speed rail at the least.
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Old 07-10-2016, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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It depends on when we get high speed rail. If it happens in the next twenty years, then yes they will combing into one CSA.
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Old 07-10-2016, 08:47 PM
 
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Trenton is geographically closer to Philly, but is considered part of the NYC metro, correct? As Philly continues growing, as long as SEPTA can get itself back together after this catastrophe, I could see Trenton becoming more part of Philly. But it's already a sizable city on the border of two proving how strong each one pulls. It's interesting that SEPTA ends in Trenton and NJT's line to NYC ends there as well. If there was a continuous transit line that wasn't Amtrak because it's too damn expensive for commuting, I think it could easily happen. There's a reason both NYC and Philly have connections to Trenton; it's a border between the two. They basically touch right there. All that needs to happen is better transit connection between the two that operates more frequently and rapidly. You might start seeing couples commuting from that part of NJ to both NYC and Philly. That could be what saves Trenton finally. If better transit ran between the two cities and couples/families were able to harness both the Philly and NYC job markets and commute from Trenton Transit Center to both cities, it could help the rebirth of Trenton.

Not to focus on just Trenton, I just think it's an interesting border between the two metros. But I think it's bound to happen. Philly was in decline for so long, it didn't have a strong sphere of influence. NYC really never lost its sphere. Philly's is coming back strong. As CC becomes an even larger hub for jobs, development, real estate, etc., it will have an even stronger pull. It will never have the sphere of NYC because it will always be smaller, but since the MSAs or CSAs or whatever already touch basically, we might start seeing the border cities have split commutes between the two.
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