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Texas and Florida may get lower absolute lows then many microclimates in SoCal, but because of the summer heat and higher nighttime lows, SoTex and Florida from Tampa southward are able to grow tropical plants at a much faster rate then SoCal. Sure some freak winter every 20 years or so may knock them out, but most plants come back from the roots(with exceptions). For example, you can't get coconuts to fruit in SoCal.
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There are Two seasons in Texas, hot and even hotter with humidity. There is a third if you count the hurricane season every year
Hurricanes. yep. more of my tax dollars go to natural disasters like hurricanes in texas.
Tornadoes. the good thing is, texas is flat and has nothing around for 100′s of miles. so, not many people should get hurt except those who ask for it.
Lol neither Texas or California get money from anyone but themselves. They give more to the federal government than they get. So your tax dollars go to states like Pennsylvania or Mississippi that receive more from the federal government than they give.
You can check it out: http://democraticactionteam.org/reds...ism/index.html Texas is one of the only red states that gives more than it receives.
Also, lol in winter time it is not hot. It gets pretty cold to be honest. Summer is hot but only 4 months of it.
And for hurricanes, that is an overplayed thing, lived 14 years of my life in a Texas coastal city, only had to worry about Hurricane 3 times. Lol.
Texas and Florida may get lower absolute lows then many microclimates in SoCal, but because of the summer heat and higher nighttime lows, SoTex and Florida from Tampa southward are able to grow tropical plants at a much faster rate then SoCal. Sure some freak winter every 20 years or so may knock them out, but most plants come back from the roots(with exceptions). For example, you can't get coconuts to fruit in SoCal.
You are the palm expert but if a person has to contend with regular frost\ freezes each year like Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, etc it doesn't matter what they plant if the vegetation dies. People grow tomatoes all year in LA as well as flowers galore; the grass doesn't turn brown and the trees are full of leaves. I've seen photos of Houston and especially Dallas where the winter scene is dead except some pines and a few sturdy palms. In a way it is unfair because Texas is practically in the subtropics [at least from San Antonio south] but must deal with the occasional arctic blast that can wipe out all the tender plants.
There are places in California that have never experienced a temperature below freezing and even San Francisco has a 365-day growing season just like Miami.
Lol neither Texas or California get money from anyone but themselves. They give more to the federal government than they get. So your tax dollars go to states like Pennsylvania or Mississippi that receive more from the federal government than they give.
You can check it out: Red State Socialism Texas is one of the only red states that gives more than it receives.
And for hurricanes, that is an overplayed thing, lived 14 years of my life in a Texas coastal city, only had to worry about Hurricane 3 times. Lol.
oh lol I didn't know our money goes to those states!
lol it's like the Earthquake thing. People act like we get them everyday 24/7 when in reality it happens randomly.
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oh lol I didn't know our money goes to those states!
lol it's like the Earthquake thing. People act like we get them everyday 24/7 when in reality it happens randomly.
I know right! People overplay this stuff so much. OMG... there's a wildfire everyday, I am not moving there. Oh I heard they get an Earthquake every month... definitely don't want to live there.
They get hurricanes every season, definitely don't want to live there.
You are the palm expert but if a person has to contend with regular frost\ freezes each year like Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, etc it doesn't matter what they plant if the vegetation dies. People grow tomatoes all year in LA as well as flowers galore; the grass doesn't turn brown and the trees are full of leaves. I've seen photos of Houston and especially Dallas where the winter scene is dead except some pines and a few sturdy palms. In a way it is unfair because Texas is practically in the subtropics [at least from San Antonio south] but must deal with the occasional arctic blast that can wipe out all the tender plants.
There are places in California that have never experienced a temperature below freezing and even San Francisco has a 365-day growing season just like Miami.
No place on the Gulf and Atlantic Coast(excluding the Keys and their northern extensions) is truly immune to freeze damage. Even Miami has seen a light dusting of snow back in 1977. Many places in Miami-Dade County further from the coast and heat island such as the Redlands froze this year. Many common trees in Houston are deciduous and drop their leaves just like any place further north. Many places in Houston such as the loop 610, Museum District etc. inside the heat island don't freeze most years. There were large fruiting Mangos, of course they all died in the freeze. This is the first time in 13 years since Galveston, Texas has went below 30F. Coastal California has a more oceanic-cool climate(with no frost), so most crops(tomatoes) grow well there. The southern Gulf and Atlantic have a more tropical influence(with occasional frost, but much warmer temperatures) more suited to growing coconuts, royal poinciana, tropical fruits etc. They are hard to compare.
No place on the Gulf and Atlantic Coast(excluding the Keys and their northern extensions) is truly immune to freeze damage. Even Miami has seen a light dusting of snow back in 1977. Many places in Miami-Dade County further from the coast and heat island such as the Redlands froze this year. Many common trees in Houston are deciduous and drop their leaves just like any place further north. Many places in Houston such as the loop 610, Museum District etc. inside the heat island don't freeze most years. There were large fruiting Mangos, of course they all died in the freeze. This is the first time in 13 years since Galveston, Texas has went below 30F. Coastal California has a more oceanic-cool climate(with no frost), so most crops(tomatoes) grow well there. The southern Gulf and Atlantic have a more tropical influence(with occasional frost, but much warmer temperatures) more suited to growing coconuts, royal poinciana, tropical fruits etc. They are hard to compare.
Right. A climate like San Francisco that stays above freezing doesn't mean it can grow breadfruit A cool temperate climate sort of keeps thing in hibernation mode; not cold enough to kill plants but not warm enough for some plants to really thrive.
You are the palm expert but if a person has to contend with regular frost\ freezes each year like Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, etc it doesn't matter what they plant if the vegetation dies. People grow tomatoes all year in LA as well as flowers galore; the grass doesn't turn brown and the trees are full of leaves. I've seen photos of Houston and especially Dallas where the winter scene is dead except some pines and a few sturdy palms. In a way it is unfair because Texas is practically in the subtropics [at least from San Antonio south] but must deal with the occasional arctic blast that can wipe out all the tender plants.
There are places in California that have never experienced a temperature below freezing and even San Francisco has a 365-day growing season just like Miami.
sorry to intervene but houston is kinda distant from the rest of the cities you mentioned regarding temp. houston does have to deal w frost but not freezes(south of I-10 houston) if fact the clear lake area may hit freezing once evert other yr. and galveston....almost has the exact same winter time low as Tampa.......there are foxtails and a few royals in SE houston...and if I find the link to the pics of all of the exotic palms in Galveston I will put them up.....we can grow okra, tons of citrus fruit, and hibiscus....
sorry to intervene but houston is kinda distant from the rest of the cities you mentioned regarding temp. houston does have to deal w frost but not freezes(south of I-10 houston) if fact the clear lake area may hit freezing once evert other yr. and galveston....almost has the exact same winter time low as Tampa.......there are foxtails and a few royals in SE houston...and if I find the link to the pics of all of the exotic palms in Galveston I will put them up.....we can grow okra, tons of citrus fruit, and hibiscus....
I think you are correct. I was surprised to see that Houston is even warmer at night than Phoenix except from May to October. That humid warmth off the Gulf tends to keep nights warmer than one would experience inland; for example Dallas.
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A cool temperate climate sort of keeps thing in hibernation mode; not cold enough to kill plants but not warm enough for some plants to really thrive.
