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Definitely true. Still, for AC to be as small as it is it definitely has some pretty tall buildings (Harrah's 525ft) (Trump chairman tower nearly 500ft (470))
I think Revel is supposed to be around 6-700 ft. (if they can get the damn thing finished)
And you're right, some more residential towers would definitely add to it. AC's metro is growing, but AC itself has been the same size for many many years.
The first tower of the Revel is topped off and complete on the outside, expected to open within the year in 2011, It also brings a Vegas scale/amentity to the boardwalk at 700 ft, taller than any hotel building in Vegas, the only thing taller is the stratosphere tower
I wonder how many people in this thread have been to both?
I wasn't of gambling age when I went to Atlantic City, so I can't comment on your odds of winning at a random card game table. You guys should know that the House ALWAYS wins. That's how casinos make money to begin with. If it's not through the losses you have, its through the rake that you pay the dealer whenever you play. That's why I prefer playing online, rather than in person, because you can play more tables, it's usually faster, and you can get rake-back depending on how much you play. I don't usually gamble anymore, because I wanted to have a life outside of my computer (now CD is my addiction..SIGH!)
Other than the casinos, I liked the shores next to Atlantic City. That's something Reno definitely doesn't have. And it has easier access to Philadelphia (along the AC Expressway) and NYC (Garden State Parkway) than Reno does to Sacramento or San Francisco.
However, I feel that people here are REALLY selling Reno short. As bashed as NJ is on this site, its not nearly as much bashed as Nevada. Right now, it probably has the worst economy of any state right now (even behind MI). Outside of tourism, construction, and mining there really isn't much going on throughout the whole state. Reno PURPOSEFULLY kept itself as a small city, while Las Vegas expanded and grew to extremely epic proportions. It may surprise people to know that in 1950, both cities had roughly the same amount of people. Now, Vegas is the obvious dominant city with Reno severely left behind in the dust. However, at the same time, Reno hasn't fallen on hard times NEARLY as hard as Las Vegas has.
If anything, Reno has convenient access to Lake Tahoe (its only 50 miles away), ski resorts, and access to some of the most beautiful undiscovered wilderness in the United States. I do wish the place was marketed better as an outdoors destination, but it doesn't do anything at all.
Here are the gambling statistics: American Gaming Association : Fact Sheets : Statistics (http://www.americangaming.org/Industry/factsheets/statistics_detail.cfv?id=4 - broken link)
2. Atlantic City: $3.943 billion
12. Reno/Sparks: $715.23 million
Atlantic City brings in 5 times the revenue from gambling that Reno does.
Maybe that is a good thing in longer term outlook, because it will force Reno (or not) to do more to stimulate its local economy. Otherwise, it will remain "The Biggest Little City in the World"
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No... AC is a hell of a lot worst crime wise.
Atlantic County overall is nice though, which is a more logical way of comparing crime.
AC is a tiny city with a dramatic amount of tourism. Crime is going to look far worst than it really feels.
I wonder how many people in this thread have been to both?
I wasn't of gambling age when I went to Atlantic City, so I can't comment on your odds of winning at a random card game table. You guys should know that the House ALWAYS wins. That's how casinos make money to begin with. If it's not through the losses you have, its through the rake that you pay the dealer whenever you play. That's why I prefer playing online, rather than in person, because you can play more tables, it's usually faster, and you can get rake-back depending on how much you play. I don't usually gamble anymore, because I wanted to have a life outside of my computer (now CD is my addiction..SIGH!)
Other than the casinos, I liked the shores next to Atlantic City. That's something Reno definitely doesn't have. And it has easier access to Philadelphia (along the AC Expressway) and NYC (Garden State Parkway) than Reno does to Sacramento or San Francisco.
However, I feel that people here are REALLY selling Reno short. As bashed as NJ is on this site, its not nearly as much bashed as Nevada. Right now, it probably has the worst economy of any state right now (even behind MI). Outside of tourism, construction, and mining there really isn't much going on throughout the whole state. Reno PURPOSEFULLY kept itself as a small city, while Las Vegas expanded and grew to extremely epic proportions. It may surprise people to know that in 1950, both cities had roughly the same amount of people. Now, Vegas is the obvious dominant city with Reno severely left behind in the dust. However, at the same time, Reno hasn't fallen on hard times NEARLY as hard as Las Vegas has.
If anything, Reno has convenient access to Lake Tahoe (its only 50 miles away), ski resorts, and access to some of the most beautiful undiscovered wilderness in the United States. I do wish the place was marketed better as an outdoors destination, but it doesn't do anything at all.
Here are the gambling statistics: American Gaming Association : Fact Sheets : Statistics (http://www.americangaming.org/Industry/factsheets/statistics_detail.cfv?id=4 - broken link)
2. Atlantic City: $3.943 billion
12. Reno/Sparks: $715.23 million
Atlantic City brings in 5 times the revenue from gambling that Reno does.
Maybe that is a good thing in longer term outlook, because it will force Reno (or not) to do more to stimulate its local economy. Otherwise, it will remain "The Biggest Little City in the World"
This is a good post and I have been to both, but honestly i went to Reno as an excursion from skiing in Tahoe, it is charming in it's own way but to me on scale it is kind of scaled as Vegas is to AC.
And let's not act as if Reno is all roses:
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Those stats are very misleading, they say "rate" but it's not a rate at all but just a total of violent and property crimes, which obviously helps AC given it's much smaller population. And the data is from 2003.
Atlantic City has a much higher overall crime rate than Reno, well over double.
Never been to AC, but really don't care for Reno at all. Pretty trashy imo but Tahoe is close by, Reno's best feature. I can't say but just based on location I'd take AC. Both have cold winters but I'd prefer AC's four season climate over Reno's arid, mountain climate.
I think Reno has seen the writing on the wall regarding the gambling industry. It's always going to be there, but Reno has always been more of an overgrown mountain town with gambling as an added bonus. They haven't been able to compete with Vegas(or AC) in terms of attracting high rollers and international tourists---they tried doing some kind of Vegas-style themed casino with the Silver Legacy(which has a bizarre mining contraption as its centerpiece), but they don't have anything on the level of the newer casinos of Atlantic City.
Reno is lucky that they have a decent state university and a nice location only an hour from Lake Tahoe---and they did a great job fixing up downtown near the Truckee River giving it more of a connection to the surrounding mountain landscape. The art museum downtown isn't bad either, and while the sleaze factor around downtown remains it isn't as bad as it used to be. But last time I was there to visit my family I saw that they've attempted to turn some of the old casinos downtown into new condo developments---one of which looked to be completely empty except for a couple lights at night--although it's not half as bad as the boom/bust cycle that Vegas is going through right now.
Reno has always been more conservative though, the few casinos they have added in the last 20 years have been relatively successful like the Peppermill and Atlantis--and the town hasn't been prone to overexpansion. Gambling in Reno is fun, but it's a little more relaxed than Vegas or AC, and whole lot more down-market for the most part. But at this point the combined earnings from the biggest 3 Indian casinos in the nearby Central Valley of California come close to dwarfing Reno. It's hard to attract the older middle-class folks who might have flown or drove to Reno in the past when in most of the West Coast you've got an Indian casino only a couple hours away. Atlantic City is expanding its gambling industry while, Reno is looking at ways to diversify to survive without it. Most people I know who go to or live in Reno are using it as a base because it's close to Tahoe and the rest of the Northern Sierra.
No... AC is a hell of a lot worst crime wise.
Atlantic County overall is nice though, which is a more logical way of comparing crime.
AC is a tiny city with a dramatic amount of tourism. Crime is going to look far worst than it really feels.
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Those stats are very misleading, they say "rate" but it's not a rate at all but just a total of violent and property crimes, which obviously helps AC given it's much smaller population. And the data is from 2003.
Atlantic City has a much higher overall crime rate than Reno, well over double.
Never been to AC, but really don't care for Reno at all. Pretty trashy imo but Tahoe is close by, Reno's best feature. I can't say but just based on location I'd take AC. Both have cold winters but I'd prefer AC's four season climate over Reno's arid, mountain climate.
To both: never said Reno was worse than AC (nor do I wish to paint that picture). Only said Reno is no rose garden, meaning simply: AC's loss is not Reno's gain as far as crime goes.
Yeah, but like so many others, she went from the bus to the casino to the buffet to the bus
If I am going to lose some money in Reno, I'd probably hit Tahoe instead. CalNeva is neat
I agree- Lake Tahoe > AC Beach
But the beach is right off the boardwalk. Lake Tahoe is the same distance away from Reno as AC is from Philly (somewhat)
Plus all the other boardwalk scenes such as Ocean City and Wildwood, and all the picturesque laid back beach towns not too far from AC. NYC is about 2 hours away.
NJ is the state of location, but nothing is as dramatic to the beauty of Lake Tahoe though. Barely anything is on the east coast IMO.
I agree- Lake Tahoe > AC Beach
But the beach is right off the boardwalk. Lake Tahoe is the same distance away from Reno as AC is from Philly (somewhat)
Plus all the other boardwalk scenes such as Ocean City and Wildwood, and all the picturesque laid back beach towns not too far from AC. NYC is about 2 hours away.
NJ is the state of location, but nothing is as dramatic to the beauty of Lake Tahoe though. Barely anything is on the east coast IMO.
Definitely agree w/ Lake Tahoe (natural beauty), but as far as the east coast, I do think the Adirondacks would be a nice competition w/ Lake Tahoe.
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