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Old 08-31-2010, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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I agree- Lake Tahoe > AC Beach
But the beach is right off the boardwalk. Lake Tahoe is the same distance away from Reno as AC is from Philly (somewhat)
Plus all the other boardwalk scenes such as Ocean City and Wildwood, and all the picturesque laid back beach towns not too far from AC. NYC is about 2 hours away.

NJ is the state of location, but nothing is as dramatic to the beauty of Lake Tahoe though. Barely anything is on the east coast IMO.
Downtown Reno to Incline Village, NV (North Shore of Tahoe; 35.2 miles)
Reno, NV to Incline Village, NV - Google Maps

Atlantic City to Center City, Philadelphia (61.2 miles)
Atlantic City, NJ to Philadelphia, PA - Google Maps

Not exactly. It's almost twice the distance. However, I would argue that Reno doesn't do enough to market itself as a winter resort destination, and leaves that to Tahoe.

However, its nearly twice the distance from Reno to Downtown San Francisco than it is from Atlantic City to Manhattan, but roughly the same distance it is to Downtown Sacramento (whatever that means to someone)

Atlantic City to Manhattan (125 miles)
Atlantic City, NJ to New York, NY - Google Maps

Reno to Sacramento (132 miles)
Reno, NV to Sacramento, CA - Google Maps

Reno to San Francisco (218 miles)
Reno, NV to San Francisco, CA - Google Maps

The long distances of the West strike again! Oh well, crossing over the Sierras isn't so bad. Pretty, but dangerous drive as well. I haven't done it over I-80, but have done it over US 50, and during a snow storm, its downright scary. It gets compounded by the fact that Californians really can't drive in the snow. Yep!
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Old 09-01-2010, 01:09 AM
 
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I think Reno has seen the writing on the wall regarding the gambling industry. It's always going to be there, but Reno has always been more of an overgrown mountain town with gambling as an added bonus. They haven't been able to compete with Vegas(or AC) in terms of attracting high rollers and international tourists---they tried doing some kind of Vegas-style themed casino with the Silver Legacy(which has a bizarre mining contraption as its centerpiece), but they don't have anything on the level of the newer casinos of Atlantic City.

Reno is lucky that they have a decent state university and a nice location only an hour from Lake Tahoe---and they did a great job fixing up downtown near the Truckee River giving it more of a connection to the surrounding mountain landscape. The art museum downtown isn't bad either, and while the sleaze factor around downtown remains it isn't as bad as it used to be. But last time I was there to visit my family I saw that they've attempted to turn some of the old casinos downtown into new condo developments---one of which looked to be completely empty except for a couple lights at night--although it's not half as bad as the boom/bust cycle that Vegas is going through right now.

Reno has always been more conservative though, the few casinos they have added in the last 20 years have been relatively successful like the Peppermill and Atlantis--and the town hasn't been prone to overexpansion. Gambling in Reno is fun, but it's a little more relaxed than Vegas or AC, and whole lot more down-market for the most part. But at this point the combined earnings from the biggest 3 Indian casinos in the nearby Central Valley of California come close to dwarfing Reno. It's hard to attract the older middle-class folks who might have flown or drove to Reno in the past when in most of the West Coast you've got an Indian casino only a couple hours away. Atlantic City is expanding its gambling industry while, Reno is looking at ways to diversify to survive without it. Most people I know who go to or live in Reno are using it as a base because it's close to Tahoe and the rest of the Northern Sierra.
The food in Reno, at the good restaurants at the Atlantis, Peppermill, and Grand Sierra are far better than the food in AC or, to be honest, Vegas as well.

This place, the Bistor Napa, for instance, at the Atlants, is better than any meal Ive had in Vegas or AC (only went to AC once, admittedly):

Bistro Napa | California Cuisine, Reno Dining Specials, Reno Happy Hour

Speaking of which, you mentioned the Silver Legacy, but have you ever heard of the Peppermill (1600 rooms, 100,000 sq. ft casino) or Atlantis (1000 rooms, 100,000 sq. foot casino) in Reno? These are much more like Vegas-style casinos than the Silver Legacy. They are both huge, modern, and doing good business:

http://www.peppermillreno.com/

http://www.atlantiscasino.com/

There is also the Grand Sierra Resort, which is struggling but still a bohemoth (2000 rooms, 100,000 sq foot casino)

http://www.grandsierraresort.com/
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Reno/Tahoe is not just a gambling mecca. It's beautiful. I prefer mountains over beach and the weather in Reno is spectacular.

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/...Select=WEATHER
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:19 AM
 
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Reno/Tahoe is not just a gambling mecca.
That's precisely why I play there. Single deck shoes and low key less glitz. Way better vibe for my taste. And much better gambling.
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Old 09-01-2010, 12:10 PM
 
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The food in Reno, at the good restaurants at the Atlantis, Peppermill, and Grand Sierra are far better than the food in AC or, to be honest, Vegas as well.

This place, the Bistor Napa, for instance, at the Atlants, is better than any meal Ive had in Vegas or AC (only went to AC once, admittedly):

Bistro Napa | California Cuisine, Reno Dining Specials, Reno Happy Hour

Speaking of which, you mentioned the Silver Legacy, but have you ever heard of the Peppermill (1600 rooms, 100,000 sq. ft casino) or Atlantis (1000 rooms, 100,000 sq. foot casino) in Reno? These are much more like Vegas-style casinos than the Silver Legacy. They are both huge, modern, and doing good business:

http://www.peppermillreno.com/

http://www.atlantiscasino.com/

There is also the Grand Sierra Resort, which is struggling but still a bohemoth (2000 rooms, 100,000 sq foot casino)

http://www.grandsierraresort.com/
Yeah, I've been to the Peppermill and the Atlantis a lot(I mentioned in my post that they've been successful). I go to Reno a couple times a year when I visit my family just over the border in Plumas County, CA about 45 minutes away.

I've been to some good restaurants at the Peppermill and Atlantis--but I don't know, there's ton of great restaurants in Las Vegas as well, some of which are really high-end. I really haven't been to the Grand Sierra since they renovated it, although when I was in high school I used to go to it a lot it when it was still the Reno Hilton to see concerts and go to the driving range.

I like Reno---my post was more to make the point that Reno's share of the national gambling market has been shrinking in the last 10 years, which is why the city will find new ways to market itself as more than just a place to gamble. The appeal of Reno is the location---it's the biggest city on the east side of the Sierras and the closest city to Tahoe.
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Old 09-01-2010, 01:18 PM
 
Location: St Paul, MN - NJ's Gold Coast
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The food in Reno, at the good restaurants at the Atlantis, Peppermill, and Grand Sierra are far better than the food in AC or, to be honest, Vegas as well.

This place, the Bistor Napa, for instance, at the Atlants, is better than any meal Ive had in Vegas or AC (only went to AC once, admittedly):

Bistro Napa | California Cuisine, Reno Dining Specials, Reno Happy Hour

Speaking of which, you mentioned the Silver Legacy, but have you ever heard of the Peppermill (1600 rooms, 100,000 sq. ft casino) or Atlantis (1000 rooms, 100,000 sq. foot casino) in Reno? These are much more like Vegas-style casinos than the Silver Legacy. They are both huge, modern, and doing good business:

http://www.peppermillreno.com/

http://www.atlantiscasino.com/

There is also the Grand Sierra Resort, which is struggling but still a bohemoth (2000 rooms, 100,000 sq foot casino)

http://www.grandsierraresort.com/
I thought food in AC was better than most places I've been- Most NJ boardwalks have amazing food.
Never been to Reno, but being "far better" would be a challenge. IMO
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Old 09-01-2010, 01:28 PM
 
Location: The City
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I thought food in AC was better than most places I've been- Most NJ boardwalks have amazing food.
Never been to Reno, but being "far better" would be a challenge. IMO

The newer AC Casinos have some excellent restaurant choices, more on par with Vegas in theme, and high profile chefs etc.
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Old 09-01-2010, 03:57 PM
 
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The newer AC Casinos have some excellent restaurant choices, more on par with Vegas in theme, and high profile chefs etc.
I'll admit, my sampling of AC restaurants was pretty narrow, and it was over 6 years ago. So it probably wasnt a fair statement to say Reno has much better food.

But there are restaurants in Reno that are really top notch, which was a surprise to me. And I do think Vegas restaurants tend to be way overrated and overrpriced--I'll leave it at that.
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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I agree. It's only 11 square miles and under 40K in pop, it can atleast achieve 100K+ in pop.
They have a pretty big Island within AC's borders that is barely even developed. (where the AC Higschool is)
They should really start working around that, it has a nice setting. They could even develop a housing stock that could help bring in a wealthier crowd. The Atlantic City MSA is the fastest growing MSA in the North East- Now if the same could be done withing the city proper, AC could make a bigger and better name for itself. It could be the city NJ can call its own without being in a 10 mile radius of NYC.

Of course, this would take decades and heaps of money- But AC needs it.
I think New Jersey in general needs to set up better city sizes. (By boundaries) They put themselves at such a disadvantage for growth and notoriety when they limit the cities sizes to a mere 11 square miles or 24 square miles.

In my opinion many cities gain world recognition and notoriety by their size (Like 45 square miles + with a large population of near 550,000 or more = pretty good name recognition), and many of them hold off decent sizes 45 square miles +. New Jersey needs to stop thinking like Philadelphia & New York City call the shots and needs to start developing their own. Atlantic City for a city of its size has done wonders at gaining name recognition.

Frankly, I loved Jersey City, and a friend of mine named Brian highly suggested I check out Atlantic City, I really liked it New Jersey is easily my favorite state in the Northeast (simply because Upstate New York is not its own state).

Atlantic City, needs to do these things, in my opinion (And Reno also):
- It needs market its flagship economic force, which is tourism
- It needs to also start diversifying its economy to sustain some momentum.
- It needs to start becoming more residential friendly and have a " Mini Manhattanization" going on, where you see nice 500 footers or 600 footers take off with great residential units. Miami did that, but it explosively did that, Atlantic City needs just a little bit of that.
- It needs to strengthen its areas and get more patrol duty and community patrol services out there.
- It needs to make its prices more attractive to competitors like Las Vegas. In my personal opinion, whether you are on the level of Vegas or not does not matter, but you should always consider them a competitor regardless if they come off on top, it keeps competition rolling and it makes fares more attractive.

Economically Atlantic City has to learn from Las Vegas's mistake, and start diversifying its economy. It has the shoulders of a state that is economically intact right now, Las Vegas is hurting its state presently. Atlantic City's unemployment rate right now isn't looking great but it can rebound that and I hope they diversify it a bit, keeping tourism as a flagship industry is ideal but getting some medicine, tech, education, & other industries is important as well.
I hope both Las Vegas & Atlantic City make a good recovery.

I know these things don't come easy and are easier to say than to do, but I hope they show interest in the right direction to get these things going. Reno, Las Vegas, & Atlantic City all have some beautiful landscapes and great potential they can tap, they just need to show interest in working at it economically to get there.

I am loving what Atlantic City has got going on, I am a major major major skyscraper buff, and I love a nice tall glass gleaming and developing skyline like Atlantic City's and Jersey City's too.

Here are the ones under construction:
- Revel Entertainment Resort- North Tower (70 floors! 216.4 Meters)
- Revel Entertainment Resort- South Tower (70 floors! 216.4 Meters)

These two will become the tallest towers in Atlantic City, and topping out over 200 Meters is VERY nice!

Here are the ones that are proposed:
- Atlantic Beach Resort & Casino (will become the tallest building in Atlantic City when completed)
- Victoria Tower (38 floors!)
- Breakers of Atlantic City North
- Breakers of Atlantic City North

With their skyline, it would be baller and very picturesque if they align it in a linear format, close all the major gaps in the skyline, and have it going down the coastline. That would look great kind of like Miami Beach in that regard.
I think that is what its starting to look more like anyways, they have a nice skyline for their size right now, and their improving upon it as well, and its becoming more uniform and linear each year.

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Definitely true. Still, for AC to be as small as it is it definitely has some pretty tall buildings (Harrah's 525ft) (Trump chairman tower nearly 500ft (470))

I think Revel is supposed to be around 6-700 ft. (if they can get the damn thing finished)

And you're right, some more residential towers would definitely add to it. AC's metro is growing, but AC itself has been the same size for many many years.
Both Revel Towers should be straight, they're looking into finishing in 2011 I believe. And I think they'll be great additions to the city in general.

Yeah, not right now, but when they diversify their economy, get more industries going their way, and get a steady grasp on their economy, it would be baller if they invest in some residential towers like the way Miami has. It would entirely change the face of their city. And it would make it a prime investment location, albeit they need to get their economic industries diversified and going first though.

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My wife's Friend went to A/C every week, while there I told her we were going out to the Boardwalk to look at the Ocean, she replied "there's an Ocean?"
Yeah, Atlantic City has a coastline, that's something many cities don't have the opportunity to take advantage of.
I like cities for what they have in them to be honest, I don't really prefer cities because of where they are located, or what other cities they are nearby. But what they have in their metro area and what they have in them.

Reno seems baller, it has Lake Tahoe in the area and mountains, Atlantic City has boardwalks and coastlines.
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Old 09-09-2010, 04:50 PM
 
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Reno and Vegas are a million miles away and anyone on the eastern seacoast must fly to get there. I prefer Reno to both AC and Vegas because it is located in an area which is geographically diverse. You can drive to and see snow in the mountains, fish for trout, see giant trees all within a days drive. Vegas is in the desert which is depressing and the Hoover dam is the worlds biggest tourist trap. Other than gambling, seeing shows and drinking there is not much to do. It gets to be boring especially when you are on a losing streak. So why do I always go to Atlantic City? Because for me, it is close and far less expensive that flying to Vegas or Reno. The beach there is uncrowded, clean and the fishing is great. With so many motels in the area, rooms are far less expensive than other beach areas on the eastern seashore.
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