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Yeah those are pretty good examples as well in addition to the the city of LA.
Random side note, when you go to satellite mode did you notice the accident on the 210 by Allen Ave that has the fwy shut down? Kind of crazy the google satellite got that lol.
Especially weird to see because eastbound traffic is nonexistent.
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Wow a Thread Re-Awakened, after being asleep for 5 years. But I do know the OP still is on C-D.
I may as well add my Choice for Yes there is a something CHICAGO NEIGHBORHOODS .... I call Pre-Suburban Sprawl. Someone from Philly. Maybe the OP? Called it Quasi-Suburban in a thread I read. When I put this cities neighborhoods, up against tight Row Home ones.
THEY ALL HAVE FRONT LAWNS, A BACK YARD SIZE DEPENDS ON SIZE OF GARAGE 1-2.5 car size. WITH A FULL ALLEYWAY SYSTEM FOR POWER LINES TOO. These Neighborhoods had street-car access then on main streets. Now Buses and mass transit "elevate" trains if near them or a bus to them.
I'd call CHICAGO'S BUNGALOW BELT beginning in 1910-1940 good examples ...STILL URBAN BUT NOT QUITE SUBURBAN . Outsides of homes were rarely changed unless added on above and new windows, doors and awnings. City Lots were 25-27' x 125'. With some a bit larger but not much.
This example block , has homes dating to 1921 smaller lot size on narrow 3,750 SF lots CRAGIN NEIGHBORHOOD.
Lately I've been thinking that the terminology is inadequate. This was brought to my attention by recent threads regarding Los Angeles in particular. Also threads regarding intermediate density, and the future of the inner ring suburbs.
The dichotomy between urban and suburban doesn't take into account the gray areas.
Another would be semi-urban areas where the housing stock includes multistory apartment buildings, or houses on denser lots than you would see in the suburbs, sometimes along with a greater concentration of corner stores, or street-level businesses. However, due to wide roads and the way that these areas tend to taper off only a block or two away from the denser core of the avenues in question, they are not really "urban," either.
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In some Seattle neighborhoods this can be seen along the main drag. A peppering of stores and apartment buildings, sometimes a small strip mall, sometimes a church, mixed in among detached single family homes. This at most is only a block deep on either side of the main drag.
Perhaps it could be described as a semi-urban strip.
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Urban, suburban and rural...seems pretty clear to me...saying that suburban place X is more urban than urban place Y really doesn't matter because the designations are specific to the patterns of human settlement in that particular area...I think we need to make a distinction between geographic classification and development type...e.g. Arlington is a suburb of Washington DC that has urban level development...parts of the central areas of some sunbelt cities clearly have suburban level development even though they are right smack dab in the central city...anyway thats my .02
There are Chicago suburbs like Joliet and Calumet City that feel just as "urban" as a large swath of Saint Louis or Indianapolis.
I cant speak for Indianapolis, but this is definitely not true for St. Louis. St. Louis has inner ring suburbs that are more urban than Joliet or Calumet City. This statement was the definition of hyperbole. I cant think of an area of St. Louis City more suburban than Joliet, much less large swaths.
Also you couldn't pick two more different Midwestern cities to compare urban form than Indianapolis and St. Louis. I mean really?
I think you'll find it pretty much in every major city, even NYC in some of the other boroughs like Queens or Staten Island.
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. Outsides of homes were rarely changed unless added on above and new windows, doors and awnings. City Lots were 25-27' x 125'. With some a bit larger but not much. 
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