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View Poll Results: Will LA's CSA pass NYC CSA in the Future?
Yes, LA will pass NY 39 23.35%
No, LA will not Pass NY 87 52.10%
Yes, LA will pass NYC not by a lot 15 8.98%
No, LA will not pass NYC but will come close 34 20.36%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 167. You may not vote on this poll

Old 08-29-2010, 09:52 PM
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Old 08-30-2010, 08:35 AM
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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Where the f*ck are we going to put all these people? What's the point in being #1 in population anyways? So we can lull ourselves to sleep during rush hour under the comfort that "at least the LA area has the most population?" while being out in the middle of the Newhall Pass? Pointless...pointless...

How about LA gets some economic engines first to SPUR on that kind of growth before actually undertaking it. Now, out of all the times in recent US history, should show that population and growth ALONE can't be an industry in of itself. There needs to be more.

I know a lot of the NY homers here, combined with the absolute disdain people have for LA, want to stay #1. That's fine, just keep that away from us before we have time to figure out the future of this area. It's bad enough that we can't even find the requisite amount of WATER for the LA area (even for the BARE MINIMUM of survival), never mind the rest.

Having the LA area be #1 in population would put all of California on the edge. Not just SoCal, but the farmers in Central California (they practically use the same water NOW as LA does. And these people grow 15-20% of our nation's PRODUCE as a whole) and the urban centers of NorCal (Hetch Hechy Aqueduct for the Bay Area is located in the Sierras...just like the LA Aqueduct is).

For all this talk about being relevant, or having some kind of status doesn't come before finding a way to survive.

Originally Posted by BPerone201 View Post
It may come close, but I doubt it.

LA has a lot of room to grow, but it's mainly sprawl and it will continue to be sprawl. Plus they should slow down population growth soon due to the air pollution that tends to develops in SoCa. Not trying to knock the region but a lot of SoCa cities/towns have some of the highest air pollutant rates in the nation, major more growth shouldn't be as encouraged.

Los Angeles County is huge, so let me sort out all the NYC metro counties to rougly equal the same square mileage as LA County.

Bergen County NJ- 234 sq Miles, 895,250 Pop (3,823 PPSM)
Nassau Caounty NY- 287 sq miles, 1,357,429 Pop (4,735 PPSM)
Hudson County NJ- 47 Sq miles, 597,924 Pop (12,807 PPSM)
Westchester County NY- 442 Sq miles, 955,962 Pop (2,209 PPSM)
Union County NJ- 103 Sq Miles, 526,426 Pop (5,097 PPSM)
Fairfield County CT- 626 Sq Miles, 901,208 Pop (1,440 PPSM)
Suffolk County NY- 912 Sq Miles, 1,515,475 Pop (1,665 PPSM)
Essex County NJ- 126 Sq Miles, 769,644 Pop (6,095 PPSM)
Passaic County NJ- 185 Sq Miles, 491,778 Pop (2,654 PPSM)
Middlesex County NJ- 310 Sq Miles, 790,738 Pop (2,553 PPSM)
Rockland County NY- 174 Sq Miles, 300,173 Pop (1,723 PPSM)
Morris County NJ- 469 Sq Miles, 488,518 Pop (1,042 PPSM)
Monmouth County NJ- 472 Sq Miles, 644,105 Pop (1,365 PPSM)

Total: 4,202 Sq Miles- 10,234,630- 2,435 PPSM

Los Angeles County (including LA the city)
Total: 4,061 Sq Miles- 9,848,011 Pop- 2,425 PPSM

Even though the land area for the NYC metro counties is a bit higher, the population density tells you that the 2 areas basically have the same amount of space developed (or not developed)- There's only a 10 People per square mile difference!
Basically, even with LA included- Those specific NYC metro counties have about the same population, without even having NYC in the equation.

The LA metro may have a lot of room, but the all around infrastructure isn't going to support the same kind of population capacity as the NYC metro. And if the Philly MSA merges with NYC's, which is likely, you can forget it.
Except.....more than half of LA county's geographical area is made up of the San Gabriel Mountains, other parts of the Traverese Range, and the Antelope Valley (part of the Mojave Desert). The ONLY other place that LA county can put more people is in the Antelope Valley, which is why Palmdale and Lancaster had some of the highest rates of foreclosure in the NATION.

The built up part of LA County can only be built upwards, not more laterally. Unfortunately (or fortunately), the American dream is to own a house with a yard, even if its a small house on a small plot of land. That's the drawback of living in California; all the geographic constraints.

LA needs to slow down growing for a bit and figure things out first before undertaking more growth. Again, where will the water come from? Until the taxpayers in California think desalinization is worth of subsidizing, more and more water will be siphoned off from Northern California. Then what about the farmers? This isn't a sustainable way of life!
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Old 02-19-2011, 06:56 PM
Location: SoCal Megalopolis
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Old 02-19-2011, 07:27 PM
Location: SoCal Megalopolis
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Keep in mind, we're not talking about the city here. We're talking about the whole metro.

Originally Posted by kidphilly View Post
again if the population grows in the land away from LA the requirements for this area to stay part of CSA will be lost, subtraction by addition for the LA CSA - just do the math it is really pretty simple - the population is increasing away from LA CSA border, that means more and more difficulty to retain the combined CSA status, this has happened in others area of the country already. You have blinders on to believe this is not the case

This makes zero sense. This is happening with Philadelphia and New York right now.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:36 PM
Location: The City
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Originally Posted by JDRCRASH View Post
Keep in mind, we're not talking about the city here. We're talking about the whole metro.

This makes zero sense. This is happening with Philadelphia and New York right now.

The county sizes are vastly different, Philly and NYC actually may be one CSA after this census, it missed on commuter rates by 0.2% last census (Mercer county NJ)
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Old 03-20-2011, 05:16 PM
Location: Costa Mesa
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yes LA will surpass NY about 2030-2050
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Old 03-20-2011, 05:24 PM
Location: Washington, DC NoVA
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lol no it won't. la doesn't have the room, water, economy, schools, money, and it isn't growing faster than ny. so no, la's going to level off more.
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Old 03-20-2011, 05:32 PM
Location: SF Bay Area
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Absolutely not.
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Old 03-20-2011, 06:46 PM
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LA will surpass NYC
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Old 03-21-2011, 12:19 PM
Location: Queens, NY
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