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Horrible try. But you have been known to skew statistics before, possibly being nefarious, possibly just having a mild grasp of them. It is #'s AND scale which hold any actual value, anything else is strictly being manipulative. Manhattan holds that over 23 square miles.
Keep avoiding the actual #'s though.
for the record Guttenberg is only 11k people
nice try though? I'm sure everybody will have a laugh at your miserable rebuttal.
Cry me a river.
By Gateway Region's definition, Guttenberg is the most vibrant city in the US, bar none.
Otherwise, dont ever define vibrancy by density again because Guttenberg kicks everyone's can.
1. It was YOU who brought up ethnocentric neighborhoods in this thread trying to have a gotcha moment that failed miserably. *yawns*
2. There are 1 Million Asians outside of NYC and 1 Million Asians outside of SF, Oakland and SJ. Its crystal clear which has the heavier Asians influence. I dont even know why you are continuing on this failed tangent but whatever.
3. So call the NY Times and tell them that NYCs map needs to be inflated to match the egos of folks on C-D. In the meantime, that's life.
You just need to be man up and stick to your guns. You can't talk about NYC Asians being these ethnocentric, non-assimilated people but then deny that the logical extension of that is that the food they bring with them is more authentically Asian. San Francisco can't have more "American" Asians who also make food that "blows away" anything made by Asians in NYC. C'mon, man!
By Gateway Region's definition, Guttenberg is the most vibrant city in the US, bar none.
Otherwise, dont ever define vibrancy by density again because Guttenberg kicks everyone's can.
No, you are wrong, he gave both density AND scale, which creates something called RELEVANCE.
Listen, 20k people daytime over 47 square miles is IMPRESSIVE. That is nothing to shake a stick at for SF, but no, it can't begin to compare to Manhattan, which is on a completely different level, which is the whole point of the thread.
Here is him:
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Originally Posted by Gateway Region
San Francisco - 805,235 population - 46.87 sq miles = 17,180 ppsm
Manhattan - 1,585,873 population - 22.96 = 69,071 ppsm
Yes, SF looks like it can truly compete with Manhattan for vibrancy.
Behold, the teeming sidewalks of the most vibrant place in the United States, Guttenberg:
Eat your heart out Upper East Side.
You can keep your podunk Fifth Avenue, Guttenberg is where the real action is SON.
From this point forward, we all bow to Guttenberg.
Just posting pictures and trying to have a laugh, avoiding the actual #'s. And using somewhere that is only 11k people to attempt to do it in. While it may make yourself laugh at the computer screen sitting there, it has no actual relevance for any other posters.
SF might win many arguments, but this one? You have to be crazy. Knowing you, you will not budge. Plenty of New Yorkers are willing to say SF has better weather or food, which frankly is entirely subjective, but they do it in anyway and give credit where it is due. Yet you sit there and attempt to throw out RAW OBJECTIVE DATA, which can not be argued by anybody who is sane, yet you do it anyway!
You just need to be man up and stick to your guns. You can't talk about NYC Asians being these ethnocentric, non-assimilated people but then deny that the logical extension of that is that the food they bring with them is more authentically Asian.
You brought up the word 'Authentic'. Im talking about which tastes better. As far as ingredients and quality I give the nod to SF but you are entitled to disagree if you like.
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San Francisco can't have more "American" Asians who also make food that "blows away" anything made by Asians in NYC. C'mon, man!
Is it some other NY thing that when people leave the city, they also leave their heritage behind or something?
No, you are wrong, he gave both density AND scale, which creates something called RELEVANCE.
Listen, 20k people daytime over 47 square miles is IMPRESSIVE. That is nothing to shake a stick at for SF, but no, it can't begin to compare to Manhattan, which is on a completely different level, which is the whole point of the thread.
Here is him:
Looks like population, density AND scale.
Here is you:
Just posting pictures and trying to have a laugh, avoiding the actual #'s. And using somewhere that is only 11k people to attempt to do it in. While it may make yourself laugh at the computer screen sitting there, it has no actual relevance for any other posters.
SF might win many arguments, but this one? You have to be crazy. Knowing you, you will not budge. Plenty of New Yorkers are willing to say SF has better weather or food, which frankly is entirely subjective, but they do it in anyway and give credit where it is due. Yet you sit there and attempt to throw out RAW OBJECTIVE DATA, which can not be argued by anybody who is sane, yet you do it anyway!
The point is, 'vibrancy' is NOT solely defined by population density which is what Gateway stated in his post.
So what is it defined by?
I would say population density, as well as daytime population is a pretty objective factor for comparison. Either or really.
and whoa whoa
Wait a minute, don't you guys try to do that against Chicago and Boston, saying your own density #'s make it more vibrant at 17k than Chicago and Boston around 12k? Oh yeah...you do.
So wait a minute here.. .a 5k gap creates vibrancy in one thread, yet when another city has triple that actual, and 7x that daytime, it suddenly holds no meaning, and you result to trying to make an argument using a city which population is 11k? RIGHTTT
Yeahhh okay, I think we all see through this game of charades.
You should really stick to your guns, you can't have it both ways. It is OKAY to lose an argument, you will be fine, trust me. I have conceded many times on here, as have other posters when shown CRITICAL AND RELEVANT DATA which changes our view, which in this case, the data in your face should do just that. You present a wealth of data here, but you can't keep arguing both sides! Either it is one way, or it is the other, you can't argue both sides just for the sake of winning. It is OKAY TO LOSE. We will not think less of you, but if you keep it up, we will begin to wonder and your future posts will have less and less relevance, as we will doubt your ability to use statistics objectively.
Behold, the teeming sidewalks of the most vibrant place in the United States, Guttenberg:
Eat your heart out Upper East Side.
You can keep your podunk Fifth Avenue, Guttenberg is where the real action is SON.
From this point forward, we all bow to Guttenberg.
No, not at all because Guttenberg NJ has a high density but a low population. Try again
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