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I just reviewed the results, yes please more clarity on TX, it is making strides but a top 5, please provide criteria
Off the top of my head these would strongly be ahead of Texas today and in the Forceable future
NJ
CA
PA
MA
MD
NY
IL
NC
WA
Maybe even CT, GA, FL and VA
TX to me would be closer to MI and CO - good stuff but a significant level below in this industry
at best maybe ten, top 5 no - And please if the only rationale is the TMC please dont bother. It is absolutely a great facility but again in and of itself does not come close to the other states listed above (and this is not a slight to Texas, I work in this industry consulting and in my 20 years would never have placed the state of Texas with those listed above)
Hc is a dubious industry that is vulnerable as payors (governments and employers) push back on prices and utilization, as welfare states/industries depend upon taxpayers to ultimately pay for the scam, less sustainable in a depression with fewer taxpayers around
Much like education, US spends about 2x per capita on hc (as on K-12 education) yet has little diffce in outcomes vs Germany or Japan, as most die of ht dz or ca in their 70s-80s anyway, no matter how healthy one lives
Pharma, med tech and biotech cos. have enormous profit margins, and many US surgical specialists earn >$1MM/yr, but when taxpayers and employers push back on costs and utilization, the economics (profit margins, jobs and pay) can rapidly change
Not surprisingly, many RustBelt and DumbSun/SandBelt towns look to hc as their desperate solution for jobs....but hc is ultimately a more vulnerable, less wealth and innovation-producing industry than tech or finance, esp when examine mkt values of cos. and wealth of employees (via cash pay/stock/stock options)...
It is large, but houston as a whole isnt close to doing the most research even if they the single largest facility of its kind
look at a system like the PENN network in Philly, I believe combined more than 60% the size of the TMC but spread out over the city, that doesnt include, Fox Chase, Hannaman, Jefferson, Crozier Chester, Wills Eye, Cooper, Temple, AI Dupont Childrens all in the city as well. Boston, NYC, LA etc would all have more than houston as well just not as central to single facility
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Originally Posted by kidphilly
I just reviewed the results, yes please more clarity on TX, it is making strides but a top 5, please provide criteria
Off the top of my head these would strongly be ahead of Texas today and in the Forceable future
NJ
CA
PA
MA
MD
NY
IL
NC
WA
Maybe even CT, GA, FL and VA
TX to me would be closer to MI and CO - good stuff but a significant level below in this industry
at best maybe ten, top 5 no - And please if the only rationale is the TMC please dont bother. It is absolutely a great facility but again in and of itself does not come close to the other states listed above (and this is not a slight to Texas, I work in this industry consulting and in my 20 years would never have placed the state of Texas with those listed above)
I don't really get this whole biotech hub talk, but I have seen Austin and Dallas on biotech clusters lists, and I have seen Houston as an up and coming city for biotech. I know that Rice University is big on research for biotechnology. But taking in all sectors of the health care and medical industry, TX is among the top 5. San Antonio and Houston are a big part of this. All in all, there are 4 major cities in TX, among a few notable smaller cities that help contribute to TX, imo, being a top 5 state, those being Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, and Austin in no particular order. I don't really have any specifics, but look up South Texas Medical Center(SA), Texas Medical Center(HOU), and the UT-Southwester Medical Center(DAL) and Dallas or Austin's growing biotech fields in any article.
As for the 1st statement, it has been proven that Houston has a big concentration of its hospitals in one area, but do you really think its servicable for a city to have to go to one district for all their major medical needs, especially a city of 580+ sq miles?
No, Houston has many hospitals outside of the TMC, and plenty more in the suburbs. There are at least, to my knowledge about 10-15 hospitals outside the TMC located in Houston. And another dozen or more out in the suburbs.
Last edited by SouthmoreAve; 09-19-2010 at 02:02 PM..
I just reviewed the results, yes please more clarity on TX, it is making strides but a top 5, please provide criteria
Off the top of my head these would strongly be ahead of Texas today and in the Forceable future
NJ
CA
PA
MA
MD
NY
IL
NC
WA
Maybe even CT, GA, FL and VA
TX to me would be closer to MI and CO - good stuff but a significant level below in this industry
at best maybe ten, top 5 no - And please if the only rationale is the TMC please dont bother. It is absolutely a great facility but again in and of itself does not come close to the other states listed above (and this is not a slight to Texas, I work in this industry consulting and in my 20 years would never have placed the state of Texas with those listed above)
Eh, you don't knock much about Texas do you??
Trying looking up along with Texas Medical center, South Texas Medical Center, and UT - Southwestern Medical Center. You really need to learn to give credit to Texas sometimes and quit debunking everything. We're not some backwards hick state polluted with rednicks and idiots. We're the 2nd largest state in the country with the 2nd largest GDP. Seriously......
I just reviewed the results, yes please more clarity on TX, it is making strides but a top 5, please provide criteria
Off the top of my head these would strongly be ahead of Texas today and in the Forceable future
NJ
CA
PA
MA
MD
NY
IL
NC
WA
Maybe even CT, GA, FL and VA
TX to me would be closer to MI and CO - good stuff but a significant level below in this industry
at best maybe ten, top 5 no - And please if the only rationale is the TMC please dont bother. It is absolutely a great facility but again in and of itself does not come close to the other states listed above (and this is not a slight to Texas, I work in this industry consulting and in my 20 years would never have placed the state of Texas with those listed above)
well then your boss has had a crappy worker on their hands for a generation. wow. You never cease to amaze me on how little you know about Texas
I am convinced all the texas comments above from posters have zero idea what i said because none of your responses made complete sense. I said TX is not a top ten state overall in helathcare, YES I KNOW Houston has more than the one hospital, but none at the level of the TMC on research etc. Yes Rice does research (so do 150 other universities in the country)
But no TX is not a top center as a state for overall healthcare/biotech/pharma, sorry - i know its hard to believe
And Yes I know the TMC EXTRMELY WELL - i used to spend many weeks a year there, and yes is is absolutely an amazing facility
I am convinced that we could a poll up top states for skiing, well Texas has a ski slope we must be the best, arghh.
But a top 5 in this category it is not, it could make an argument for a top ten 10 but not top 5
I am convinced all the texas comments above from posters have zero idea what i said because none of your responses made complete sense. I said TX is not a top ten state overall in helathcare, YES I KNOW Houston has more than the one hospital, but none at the level of the TMC on research etc. Yes Rice does research (so do 150 other universities in the country)
yes they don't match TMC but there are other reserach areas in Houston other than Rice and TMC, plus there are others in Austin, Galveston, Dallas, FW, The Valley, SA, etc.
you cannot say Texas is not top 5 the focus solely on TMC
Texas is a top 5 and climbing. You can have it in your own mind that it is not, but not many people care. It is what it is, and what you think won't hurt it
yes they don't match TMC but there are other reserach areas in Houston other than Rice and TMC, plus there are others in Austin, Galveston, Dallas, FW, The Valley, SA, etc.
you cannot say Texas is not top 5 the focus solely on TMC
Texas is a top 5 and climbing. You can have it in your own mind that it is not, but not many people care. It is what it is, and what you think won't hurt it
Then please substantiate this with Pharma, Research, Biotech, Devices - GDPs, Grants, Research Fellows, employees, revenues etc.
And then tell me how it beats these - please substantiate it, I would love to see it - hell I will tell you what start
Brookings
Decsion resources
Wall Street Reports
Pharmaceutical Marketing
BCGs Bio reports
NIH
there are others but please and show me how it is ahead of these states seriously, according to you it has been for a while so this should be top of mind and easily proven by you to make such a claim, so go ahead
CA
MA
NJ
PA
MD
NY
NC
That is 7 so you only have to beat 3 to be a top five - but go ahead you just made the claim
But again you made the claim prove it!
Show me where it rates against these states - please i would love to be proven wrong here
yes they don't match TMC but there are other reserach areas in Houston other than Rice and TMC, plus there are others in Austin, Galveston, Dallas, FW, The Valley, SA, etc.
you cannot say Texas is not top 5 the focus solely on TMC
Texas is a top 5 and climbing. You can have it in your own mind that it is not, but not many people care. It is what it is, and what you think won't hurt it
and HTown i said dont substantiate Texas as a top 5 solely on the TMC, that is not enough to be a top 5 state, let alone a top 5 city as a stand alone facility (and YES I KNOW there are other hospitals in houston)
I will say this again the TMC is an AMAZING facility but is only one place and one small aspect of the OPs question
I wish this was a poll you could see the votes, would be curious how many of the TX votes came from Texas vs Non TX forumers...
Last edited by kidphilly; 09-19-2010 at 07:45 PM..
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