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yes that is interesting and I have asked Kidphilly to comment on it but he shys away from it here is the UA's by density:
1. Los Angeles 2500 (SUNBELT)
2. San Fran 2200 (SUNBELT)
3. Phoenix 1900 (SUNBELT who is always slammed)
4. Miami 1900 (SUNBELT)
4. New York 1800
5. Chicago 1500
6. DC 1500
7. Houston 1400 (SUNBELT)
7. Dallas 1400 (SUNBELT)
8. San Diego 1400 (SUNBELT)
9. Detroit 1200
10 Seattle 1200
11.Tampa 1200 (SUNBELT)
12. Baltimore 1200
13. Minn/St Paul 1100
14. Philly 1100
15 St Louis 1000
16. ATL 900 (Sunbelt)
17. Boston 900
look at those sunbelt cities go.
PHILLY doesn't really have a dense UA but Kidphilly loves mentioning UA and density but never together
The numbers posted are not official UA or census date - the Philly UA is 1,700 sq miles with 5.3 million at about 3,300 ppsm - the numbers you are listing are including areas down to 500 ppsm - thus why your numbers, even those posted by Pitts/Sarrasota are so different - I Will repeat again HTOWN these are not and will not be the official UA numbers in 2010
Here is the link (Again this is the ONLY, I repeat ONLY offical census estimate based on the 1,000 ppsm criteria the CENSUS actualy uses in the calculation) American FactFinder
This the metric I am discussing and posted; what you are posting includes the area covered by the Philly MSA in the density calc and only the UA population- so the same metric for Houston would be (apples to apples) 500 ppsm.
Again I agree the densities for these places will differ (LA is the most consistent etc) but you guys are posting areas and land masses with an average of slightly more than 1,000 ppsm (some less Boston and Atlanta)? 1,000 is the minimum to even be included in the calculation, it is an IMPOSSIBILTY for the average to be less than the minimum, a fundamantal basic mathmatic principal, that data includes hinterlands and farm areas etc. It is not the metric being discussed, unless you want to make a case that areas with 500 ppsm are urban? How are areas UA averaging less than 1,000 ppsm, when that is the minimum criteria to even start counting them?????????? Like I said the links and posts are NOT official UA counts. Hell the sq milage in the data you are providing for Philly listed is our MSA not UA (not to mention the MSA for Philly is 6.0 Million not 5.3, these data you are posting are not correct - those numbers are not consitent, some use or combine MSAs and CSAs etc. Look at the numbers people, they are a hodge podge, the fact that Atlanta UA alone is averaging less than the minimum to be counted should tell you something is wrong with the data.
HTOWN, wanna wager, you never post again if the DFW Census UA is not greater than Philly with the official 2010 Census data and I will agree to the opposite. This is what you are asserting, do you back up your claim?
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HTOWN, wanna wager, you never post again if the DFW Census UA is not greater than Philly with the official 2010 Census data and I will agree to the opposite. This is what you are asserting, do you back up your claim?
I will take that bet; with your track record how can I lose?
yes that is interesting and I have asked Kidphilly to comment on it but he shys away from it here is the UA's by density:
1. Los Angeles 2500 (SUNBELT)
2. San Fran 2200 (SUNBELT)
3. Phoenix 1900 (SUNBELT who is always slammed)
4. Miami 1900 (SUNBELT)
4. New York 1800
5. Chicago 1500
6. DC 1500
7. Houston 1400 (SUNBELT)
7. Dallas 1400 (SUNBELT)
8. San Diego 1400 (SUNBELT)
9. Detroit 1200
10 Seattle 1200
11.Tampa 1200 (SUNBELT)
12. Baltimore 1200
13. Minn/St Paul 1100
14. Philly 1100
15 St Louis 1000
16. ATL 900 (Sunbelt)
17. Boston 900
look at those sunbelt cities go.
PHILLY doesn't really have a dense UA but Kidphilly loves mentioning UA and density but never together
I will take that bet; with your track record how can I lose?
Deal
Here is the US Census description of UA - so how on your data is the average below the minimum threshold on density?
Urban and Rural Classification
For Census 2000, the Census Bureau classifies as "urban" all territory, population, and housing units located within an urbanized area (UA) or an urban cluster (UC). It delineates UA and UC boundaries to encompass densely settled territory, which consists of:
core census block groups or blocks that have a population density of at least 1,000 people per square mile and
Like many said, it is all about preference....I was recently in Houston and Dallas meeting with customers, and those cities just are not for me; Large highways, almost zero walkability, lame architecture. However, for some people, driving everywhere, easy parking, chain stores, might be their wet dream. Its a different lifestyle and to each their own.
I just dont think I could have much in common with somebody who would prefer Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix to NYC, Boston, Philly, Chicago.
and the bay is listed as the 2nd biggest csa in the Sunbelt.
Quote:
The three largest metropolitan areas in the Sun Belt are the Greater Los Angeles Area, the San Francisco Bay Area, and the Dallas – Fort Worth Metroplex. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Belt
Like many said, it is all about preference....I was recently in Houston and Dallas meeting with customers, and those cities just are not for me; Large highways, almost zero walkability, lame architecture. However, for some people, driving everywhere, easy parking, chain stores, might be their wet dream. Its a different lifestyle and to each their own.
I just dont think I could have much in common with somebody who would prefer Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix to NYC, Boston, Philly, Chicago.
how can a place have zero wlakability? Not even Venice has zero walkability. You know some parts of Houston have walkability scores in the 90's right?
I will take that bet; with your track record how can I lose?
And also how do you explain the sq mileage are in your data using the philly MSA to calculate density, the Philly UA is only 1700 sq miles not 4500 as you list
Once again HTown you refuse to address facts and issues with the data you report and only make snide comments or deflect. Why wont you address the facts and explain the rationale?
And also how do you explain the sq mileage are in your data using the philly MSA to calculate density, the Philly UA is only 1700 sq miles not 4500 as you list
Once again HTown you refuse to address facts and issues with the data you report and only make snide comments or deflect. Why wont you address the facts and explain the rationale?
its not my stats hun, your fellow PA poster posted the stats on density. I have yet to post my own on density at the UA level. All I did was comment on the ones he posted.
If he says that Philly's density at the UA level is below 1000 ppsm, then that is what I tend to believe. why would your fellow PA poster lie?
once again, I never listed any sq mileage for Philly, those numbers came from your buddy, at it did not list the density below 1000, it listed it at 1100
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