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Old 09-29-2010, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I think the Census made a statement on a fairly large understament of Philly in the 2008 number recently - HTown may have the link

This would show an ~100K jump in the Philly proper number (in just one year which i would doubt honestly even though it is seeing the best growth in 50+ years) and just as a comparison and perspective a 6.9% increase year over year; by comparison Houston was a 1.6% growth year over year. So I think the 2008 was a tab bit understated. Either way I am happy to say that Philly proper is showing some great life, and this growth I believe actually may put the overall city density back above Chicago.

I do hear a lot of speculation on Philly being right around the 1.6 number for 2010. Which is a great thing for the city.

And hell projecting this growth rate forward we may catch Houston
I do not understand why it is so important (to you) for Philly to HAVE to be at least #4. Do the people of Philadelphia really care so much about that? (I don't know which is why I am asking). We all know the Philly area is more populated than Phoenix, but I saw (in this forum) alot of animosity towards Phoenix when the city passed Philly in population. IMO, who really cares?
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Old 09-29-2010, 07:34 PM
 
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Yeah I'm more than positive that Atlanta has an overestimate in 2008 numbers their range from 2007 to 2009 is so unreal for Atlanta to have grown so much.

Atlanta 2007-2009:
432,511-540,932

And 2008 it was 540,000. Think about it, if it was 432,511 in 2007, and it didn't extend the city boundaries, then the 2008 numbers were clearly an overestimate. The 2009 number is far more realistic for Atlanta.
432,511 in 2007 to 540,000 in 2008, that's just so unreal.

Where as Philadelphia & Chicago have grown so much for the following reasons:
1. They were under counted due to many ignoring the census counts, and not responding back.
2. They have had great development and infill projects within their cities.
3. Birth and immigration for Chicago.
I totally disagree about an overestimate for Atlanta in 2008. It's easy to see the huge changes in population in the city as well as the large amount of infill development. The trend of white people moving back to the city and a shift in racial percentages was well-documented over the past few years, as was the large increase in population. I'm not sure what the issue is with this estimate, but I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens with the official census figure.

The 2007 estimate wasn't 432,511...it was 520,368. So the increase from 2007 to 2008 (and now apparently 2007 to 2009) was only about 20,000.
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Old 09-29-2010, 07:36 PM
 
Location: The City
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I do not understand why it is so important (to you) for Philly to HAVE to be at least #4. Do the people of Philadelphia really care so much about that? (I don't know which is why I am asking). We all know the Philly area is more populated than Phoenix, but I saw (in this forum) alot of animosity towards Phoenix when the city passed Philly in population. IMO, who really cares?

Actually in all honesty I am just happy to see some growth in the city - it hit some bad days in the mod 80s and lost population for a while. The city itself has made some great strides.

On the last part of my comment it is more a little poke at HTown no real harm meant, more in good fun

On the crux of your question, no - The area has and will always have great access to many amenities including jobs and activities that may not be counted in the population totals. In real life no it really doesn't matter, though a few of us do get worked up every now and again when people talk about city populations showing greater import - I think without understanding the area the undercounting of the census metrics at least where the breaks are diminish the size and strength of the area as it functions in real life. So when people say Houston is bigger, well by a census metric yes but on functionality and accesability it still has a decent way to go. So the belief is the stats under-represent a lot of what the area has to offer and not just the population but also economic output etc. so that may also have something to do with it. Addtionally in some ways the area (as a huge city) has always (for a long time) had to take a little bit of a back seat to NYC just to the north and DC a little further south. ok done diatribe
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Old 09-29-2010, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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Okay, I am looking at all the numbers and many of them seem way too high to me. Houston Usually adds about 20k a year, this year's jumps seems unbelievable.

Dallas from 200 to 2008 added about 90K (about 10K a year), so it is unbelievable that they added that much (60K in one year).

San Antonio has about the same growth rate as Houston (about 20K per year, so a jump of 80K again is unbelievable.

Even Phoenix in its hay day has not experienced this the type of growth in this forecast.

I got all excited, but now I guess I am gonna have to wait for the 2010 census. I hope they don't screw that up too
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Old 09-29-2010, 07:43 PM
 
Location: The City
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Okay, I am looking at all the numbers and many of them seem way too high to me. Houston Usually adds about 20k a year, this year's jumps seems unbelievable.

Dallas from 200 to 2008 added about 90K (about 10K a year), so it is unbelievable that they added that much (60K in one year).

San Antonio has about the same growth rate as Houston (about 20K per year, so a jump of 80K again is unbelievable.

Even Phoenix in its hay day has not experienced this the type of growth in this forecast.

I got all excited, but now I guess I am gonna have to wait for the 2010 census. I hope they don't screw that up too

Many do seem pretty hard to believe on a single year growth. Philly hasnt grown that much ever, i think even in it's Industrial heydey in the early 1900's
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Old 09-29-2010, 08:04 PM
 
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Many do seem pretty hard to believe on a single year growth. Philly hasnt grown that much ever, i think even in it's Industrial heydey in the early 1900's
Okay I feel better now. Danny's 09 numbers might not be wrong, it is his 08 numbers that suck.

San Antonio 08 numbers was 1349K
they only added about 25K
Dallas 08 numbers was 1279K they only added 20 K too
Houston 08 numbers was 2238K they added 20K

Chicago's numbers in 08 was 2830K, they grew by 20K

Philly's corrected 08 numbers were 1540K, new numbers put it at 1547K they did have positive growth, just not 100K


a bunch of your 08 numbers were wrong Danny
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Old 09-29-2010, 08:07 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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The "merged" Louisville is an eclectic collection of the old city plus all unicorperated areas in Jefferson County. Some areas are having rapid population decline while others are rapidly growing.

Anyway, the old city lost 1/3 of its population from 1970 to 1990 so this is hardly its first decline.
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Old 09-29-2010, 08:11 PM
 
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One interesting fact : The Texas winner is San Antonio, it beats Houston and Dallas ! It's one of the most populated city but it is really underestimated !
actually SA grew by 22K
Dallas grew by 19K
Houston grew by 22 K
Austin grew by 19K
and FW grew by 22K so they all grew by about the same numbers.

there is no clear winner
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Old 09-29-2010, 08:15 PM
 
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The "merged" Louisville is an eclectic collection of the old city plus all unicorperated areas in Jefferson County. Some areas are having rapid population decline while others are rapidly growing.

Anyway, the old city lost 1/3 of its population from 1970 to 1990 so this is hardly its first decline.
it did not decline at all. According to Fact finder the city gained 4000 people from 08to 09


Louisville/Jefferson County metro government, Jefferson County

721,594

717,414

las Vegas also grew by 5K
Las Vegas city, Clark County

567,641

562,849

so far, the only cities that I have seen drop are Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo, Akron, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Erie City PA,...

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Old 09-29-2010, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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How do they get those numbers? I thought the census came out with their official estimates a few months ago that said Chicago grew by 23,000 people or something to 2,853,000.
That's what I thought. I remember the article came out in July.

Honestly, my heart dropped when I saw 2.7 million. That seems....unreal. I agree with Danny though. This city is extremely unpredictable.
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