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Well many of us here use ACS all the time, but the problem was, it was outdated by 2 years. They only had up to 2008 information there. So basically cities with struggling population gains/loses like Chicago & Philadelphia you would have no idea if they continued given trends or not.
Well yesterday they finally released the 2009 population and demographic estimates too. So we no longer need to use the 2008 numbers anymore.
I wanted to dedicate this thread to my hometown Chicago, and cities along with it like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Detroit, New York City, & San Francisco, that way you can see if the city proper is growing or shrinking from 2008 to now.
So first I want to put the 2008 numbers, (remember this is only for city proper population).
After you get to the 30's you'll notice that some of the numbers are not there, I didn't want to waste time with satellite cities and suburbs of larger cities like Mesa & Arlington, so I kept them out of it.
Thoughts:
-Las Vegas & Louisville recorded their first population decline. Las Vegas took a big hit. Louisville saw a very very microscopic decline. But Las Vegas saw a massive one.
-Baltimore has just now shown after 60 years that its population is going to grow again.
-Philadelphia seems to be on Phoenix's neck.
-Chicago has started growing again and will continue too, there must be a lot of infill taking place within the city.
-Atlanta, Miami, Oakland, Cleveland, Buffalo, & others are all growing and there must be some infill taking place.
-Detroit seems to be struggling to stabilize, but it doesn't look too bad compared to what it seemed to be before. Hopefully it can reverse the decline.
Please note: Yeah, I know city populations aren't important compared to Metros, but I still thought this would be interesting. Another thing, the moment I see even one post that starts a bicker parade and back and forth swings at each other (and respective locations) I will request for this to be closed. (I prefer there to be no bickering here, keep it civil and constructive) So keep it civil, want to bicker get a room, DM each other, do whatever besides derailing my thread.
I think the Census made a statement on a fairly large understament of Philly in the 2008 number recently - HTown may have the link
This would show an ~100K jump in the Philly proper number (in just one year which i would doubt honestly even though it is seeing the best growth in 50+ years) and just as a comparison and perspective a 6.9% increase year over year; by comparison Houston was a 1.6% growth year over year. So I think the 2008 was a tab bit understated. Either way I am happy to say that Philly proper is showing some great life, and this growth I believe actually may put the overall city density back above Chicago.
I do hear a lot of speculation on Philly being right around the 1.6 number for 2010. Which is a great thing for the city.
And hell projecting this growth rate forward we may catch Houston
Well many of us here use ACS all the time, but the problem was, it was outdated by 2 years. They only had up to 2008 information there. So basically cities with struggling population gains/loses like Chicago & Philadelphia you would have no idea if they continued given trends or not.
Well yesterday they finally released the 2009 population and demographic estimates too. So we no longer need to use the 2008 numbers anymore.
I wanted to dedicate this thread to my hometown Chicago, and cities along with it like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Detroit, New York City, & San Francisco, that way you can see if the city proper is growing or shrinking from 2008 to now.
So first I want to put the 2008 numbers, (remember this is only for city proper population).
After you get to the 30's you'll notice that some of the numbers are not there, I didn't want to waste time with satellite cities and suburbs of larger cities like Mesa & Arlington, so I kept them out of it.
Thoughts:
-Las Vegas & Louisville recorded their first population decline. Las Vegas took a big hit. Louisville saw a very very microscopic decline. But Las Vegas saw a massive one.
-Baltimore has just now shown after 60 years that its population is going to grow again.
-Philadelphia seems to be on Phoenix's neck.
-Chicago has started growing again and will continue too, there must be a lot of infill taking place within the city.
-Atlanta, Miami, Oakland, Cleveland, Buffalo, & others are all growing and there must be some infill taking place.
-Detroit seems to be struggling to stabilize, but it doesn't look too bad compared to what it seemed to be before. Hopefully it can reverse the decline.
Please note: Yeah, I know city populations aren't important compared to Metros, but I still thought this would be interesting. Another thing, the moment I see even one post that starts a bicker parade and back and forth swings at each other (and respective locations) I will request for this to be closed. (I prefer there to be no bickering here, keep it civil and constructive) So keep it civil, want to bicker get a room, DM each other, do whatever besides derailing my thread.
Well many of us here use ACS all the time, but the problem was, it was outdated by 2 years. They only had up to 2008 information there. So basically cities with struggling population gains/loses like Chicago & Philadelphia you would have no idea if they continued given trends or not.
Well yesterday they finally released the 2009 population and demographic estimates too. So we no longer need to use the 2008 numbers anymore.
I wanted to dedicate this thread to my hometown Chicago, and cities along with it like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Detroit, New York City, & San Francisco, that way you can see if the city proper is growing or shrinking from 2008 to now.
So first I want to put the 2008 numbers, (remember this is only for city proper population).
After you get to the 30's you'll notice that some of the numbers are not there, I didn't want to waste time with satellite cities and suburbs of larger cities like Mesa & Arlington, so I kept them out of it.
Thoughts:
-Las Vegas & Louisville recorded their first population decline. Las Vegas took a big hit. Louisville saw a very very microscopic decline. But Las Vegas saw a massive one.
-Baltimore has just now shown after 60 years that its population is going to grow again.
-Philadelphia seems to be on Phoenix's neck.
-Chicago has started growing again and will continue too, there must be a lot of infill taking place within the city.
-Atlanta, Miami, Oakland, Cleveland, Buffalo, & others are all growing and there must be some infill taking place.
-Detroit seems to be struggling to stabilize, but it doesn't look too bad compared to what it seemed to be before. Hopefully it can reverse the decline.
Please note: Yeah, I know city populations aren't important compared to Metros, but I still thought this would be interesting. Another thing, the moment I see even one post that starts a bicker parade and back and forth swings at each other (and respective locations) I will request for this to be closed. (I prefer there to be no bickering here, keep it civil and constructive) So keep it civil, want to bicker get a room, DM each other, do whatever besides derailing my thread.
Approx :
NYC 2009 compared to 2008: + 28,000
LA 2009 compared to 2008: + 28,000
Chicago 2009 compared to 2008: + 109,000 (what ?)
Houston 2009 compared to 2008: + 36,000
Dallas 2009 compared to 2008: + 72,000
Atlanta 2009 compared to 2008: + 1,000
Miami 2009 compared to 2008: + 90,000 (that must be a mistake I guess)
Phoenix 2009 compared to 2008: + 68,000
Detroit 2009 compared to 2008: - 1,600
San Francisco 2009 compared to 2008: + 6,000
Austin 2009 compared to 2008: + 13,000
San Antonio 2009 compared to 2008: + 80,000
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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Originally Posted by kidphilly
I think the Census made a statement on a fairly large understament of Philly in the 2008 number recently - HTown may have the link
Yeah for Chicago too. It was very unreal, and the city started worrying me a bit since it had these sporadic growths and declines. Like it grew 1990-2000 and all of 2000 it started to decline again and now back to growing. The city is a bit of a roller coaster, and its good to see it finally putting that infill to good use.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidphilly
This would show an ~100K jump in the Philly proper number (in just one year which i would doubt honestly even though it is seeing the best growth in 50+ years) and just as a comparison and perspective a 6.9% increase year over year; by comparison Houston was a 1.6% growth year over year. So I think the 2008 was a tab bit understated. Either way I am happy to say that Philly proper is showing some great life, and this growth I believe actually may put the overall city density back above Chicago.
I'm also glad to see Philadelphia growing again, its very close to Phoenix. I will wait for 2010 to see where they both stand at. But I would suspect both to be above 1.6 million and very close to each other on that.
The US Census has time and time again done the same to Chicago with their under counting, but yeah its nice to see the city stabilizing and growing again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidphilly
And hell projecting this growth rate forward we may catch Houston
Haha go for it, the more the motivation the better. Dallas & San Diego seem to be trading places back and forth per say. That one will also be interesting.
Also note, I know many states like California, Texas, Illinois have their own figures for population count, and California I believe shows 5% larger population in their cities then the US Census does, but I think by what we see from the US Census, most cities seem to be pretty stable.
I am happy to see Oakland picking up again, there seems to be a good level of infill there, and also crime is on a record low for Oakland this year. And a lot of nice developments coming in, congratulations to Oakland on this one.
Also to Upstate New York, Buffalo reversed population decline and is growing again too. That's great news.
But Las Vegas though, man its taking a hard hit. First time in its history recording a population loss, for the decade with the immense growth from 2000-2007 it will come off as a gain for the decade but last 2 years for Las Vegas have been brutal.
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Originally Posted by RenaudFR
Approx :
NYC 2009 compared to 2008: + 28,000
LA 2009 compared to 2008: + 28,000
Chicago 2009 compared to 2008: + 109,000 (what ?)
Houston 2009 compared to 2008: + 36,000
Dallas 2009 compared to 2008: + 72,000
Atlanta 2009 compared to 2008: + 1,000
Miami 2009 compared to 2008: + 90,000 (that must be a mistake I guess)
Phoenix 2009 compared to 2008: + 68,000
Detroit 2009 compared to 2008: - 1,600
San Francisco 2009 compared to 2008: + 6,000
Austin 2009 compared to 2008: + 13,000
San Antonio 2009 compared to 2008: + 80,000
Chicago is seeing a lot of infill, its had projects and developments to attract more to the inner city. That's all just starting to kick in, and the population is stabilizing now. It will show a loss of 44,000 for the decade but it will recover that within 2 years anyways and continue to head to an increase nearing 3 million. Great news for Chicago.
And nahh Miami isn't a mistake, its also growing the same way as Chicago by infill. People moving from the suburbs to the city, and also immigration and birth.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AZLiam
I think you forgot to add any instigating.
Nahh I'm just hoping that posters this time are respectful enough to NOT take any bait and bicker for once. Haha, maybe my expectations are too high from the posters on this site?
Approx :
NYC 2009 compared to 2008: + 28,000
LA 2009 compared to 2008: + 28,000 Chicago 2009 compared to 2008: + 109,000 (what ?)
Houston 2009 compared to 2008: + 36,000
Dallas 2009 compared to 2008: + 72,000
Atlanta 2009 compared to 2008: + 1,000
Miami 2009 compared to 2008: + 90,000 (that must be a mistake I guess)
Phoenix 2009 compared to 2008: + 68,000
Detroit 2009 compared to 2008: - 1,600
San Francisco 2009 compared to 2008: + 6,000
Austin 2009 compared to 2008: + 13,000
San Antonio 2009 compared to 2008: + 80,000
I notice the census site has two different numbers for Chicago. American survey estimates says one thing and the other says another. According to ACS estimates, Chicago had 2,850,502. The other estimate(and the one C-D has) shows Chicago had 2,851,268 people in 2009. Not much of a difference, but it does raise an eyebrow slightly.
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