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Old 09-29-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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Default Cities: 2009 US Census Estimates- City Population

Well many of us here use ACS all the time, but the problem was, it was outdated by 2 years. They only had up to 2008 information there. So basically cities with struggling population gains/loses like Chicago & Philadelphia you would have no idea if they continued given trends or not.

Well yesterday they finally released the 2009 population and demographic estimates too. So we no longer need to use the 2008 numbers anymore.
I wanted to dedicate this thread to my hometown Chicago, and cities along with it like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Detroit, New York City, & San Francisco, that way you can see if the city proper is growing or shrinking from 2008 to now.
So first I want to put the 2008 numbers, (remember this is only for city proper population).

2008 City Proper Population:
01. New York City: 8,363,710
02. Los Angeles: 3,803,383
03. Chicago: 2,741,455
04. Houston: 2,224,670
05. Phoenix: 1,525,257
06. Philadelphia: 1,447,395
07. San Antonio: 1,292,997
08. San Diego: 1,266,963
09. Dallas: 1,227,082
10. San Jose: 916,715
11. Detroit: 912,493
12. San Francisco: 808,976
13. Jacksonville: 811,953
14. Indianapolis: 798,594
15. Austin: 777,783
16. Columbus: 740,086
17. Fort Worth: 677,897
18. Charlotte: 685,002
19. Memphis: 635,626
20. Boston: 613,411
21. Baltimore: 636,919
22. El Paso: 602,422
23. Seattle: 582,490
24. Denver: 598,707
25. Nashville: 601,129
26. Milwaukee: 581,099
27. Washington DC: 591,833
28. Las Vegas: 577,419
29. Louisville: 566,869
30. Portland: 560,194
31. Oklahoma City: 546,503
32. Tucson: 540,104
33. Atlanta: 540,921
34. Albuquerque: 514,895
35. Kansas City: 436,402
37. Sacramento: 457,849
40. Omaha: 388,874
42. Miami: 343,142
43. Cleveland: 408,101
44. Oakland: 365,875
45. Raleigh: 367,959
47. Tulsa: 388,890
48. Minneapolis: 360,914
50. Honolulu: 371,148
52. Saint Louis: 354,361
53. New Orleans: 311,853
54. Tampa: 341,137
57. Cincinnati: 294,771
61. Pittsburgh: 297,187
70. Buffalo: 263,366
78. Jersey City: 235,769
80. Orlando: 232,337

2009 City Proper Population:
01. New York City: 8,391,881
02. Los Angeles: 3,831,880
03. Chicago: 2,850,502
04. Houston: 2,260,918
05. Phoenix: 1,593,660
06. Philadelphia: 1,547,297
07. San Antonio: 1,373,677
08. San Diego: 1,306,228
09. Dallas: 1,299,590
10. San Jose: 964,679

11. Detroit: 910,848
12. San Francisco: 815,358
13. Jacksonville: 813,518
14. Indianapolis: 807,640
15. Austin: 790,593
16. Columbus: 773,021
17. Fort Worth: 731,588
18. Charlotte: 704,417
19. Memphis: 676,646
20. Boston: 645,187
21. Baltimore: 637,418
22. El Paso: 620,440
23. Seattle: 616,669
24. Denver: 610,345
25. Nashville: 605,466
26. Milwaukee: 605,027
27. Washington DC: 599,657

28. Las Vegas: 567,610
29. Louisville: 566,492

30. Portland: 566,606
31. Oklahoma City: 560,226
32. Tucson: 543,907
33. Atlanta: 540,932
34. Albuquerque: 529,216
35. Kansas City: 482,228
37. Sacramento: 466,685
40. Omaha: 454,714
42. Miami: 433,143
43. Cleveland: 431,369
44. Oakland: 409,151
45. Raleigh: 404,551
47. Tulsa: 389,369
48. Minneapolis: 385,384
50. Honolulu: 374,658
52. Saint Louis: 356,587
53. New Orleans: 354,850
54. Tampa: 343,879
57. Cincinnati: 333,013
61. Pittsburgh: 311,640
70. Buffalo: 270,221
78. Jersey City: 242,503
80. Orlando: 235,876


After you get to the 30's you'll notice that some of the numbers are not there, I didn't want to waste time with satellite cities and suburbs of larger cities like Mesa & Arlington, so I kept them out of it.


Thoughts:
-Las Vegas & Louisville recorded their first population decline. Las Vegas took a big hit. Louisville saw a very very microscopic decline. But Las Vegas saw a massive one.
-Baltimore has just now shown after 60 years that its population is going to grow again.
-Philadelphia seems to be on Phoenix's neck.
-Chicago has started growing again and will continue too, there must be a lot of infill taking place within the city.
-Atlanta, Miami, Oakland, Cleveland, Buffalo, & others are all growing and there must be some infill taking place.
-Detroit seems to be struggling to stabilize, but it doesn't look too bad compared to what it seemed to be before. Hopefully it can reverse the decline.

Source: American FactFinder

Please note: Yeah, I know city populations aren't important compared to Metros, but I still thought this would be interesting. Another thing, the moment I see even one post that starts a bicker parade and back and forth swings at each other (and respective locations) I will request for this to be closed. (I prefer there to be no bickering here, keep it civil and constructive) So keep it civil, want to bicker get a room, DM each other, do whatever besides derailing my thread.
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Old 09-29-2010, 02:35 PM
 
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I think the Census made a statement on a fairly large understament of Philly in the 2008 number recently - HTown may have the link

This would show an ~100K jump in the Philly proper number (in just one year which i would doubt honestly even though it is seeing the best growth in 50+ years) and just as a comparison and perspective a 6.9% increase year over year; by comparison Houston was a 1.6% growth year over year. So I think the 2008 was a tab bit understated. Either way I am happy to say that Philly proper is showing some great life, and this growth I believe actually may put the overall city density back above Chicago.

I do hear a lot of speculation on Philly being right around the 1.6 number for 2010. Which is a great thing for the city.

And hell projecting this growth rate forward we may catch Houston
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Old 09-29-2010, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Originally Posted by Awesome Danny View Post
Well many of us here use ACS all the time, but the problem was, it was outdated by 2 years. They only had up to 2008 information there. So basically cities with struggling population gains/loses like Chicago & Philadelphia you would have no idea if they continued given trends or not.

Well yesterday they finally released the 2009 population and demographic estimates too. So we no longer need to use the 2008 numbers anymore.
I wanted to dedicate this thread to my hometown Chicago, and cities along with it like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Detroit, New York City, & San Francisco, that way you can see if the city proper is growing or shrinking from 2008 to now.
So first I want to put the 2008 numbers, (remember this is only for city proper population).

2008 City Proper Population:
01. New York City: 8,363,710
02. Los Angeles: 3,803,383
03. Chicago: 2,741,455
04. Houston: 2,224,670
05. Phoenix: 1,525,257
06. Philadelphia: 1,447,395
07. San Antonio: 1,292,997
08. San Diego: 1,266,963
09. Dallas: 1,227,082
10. San Jose: 916,715
11. Detroit: 912,493
12. San Francisco: 808,976
13. Jacksonville: 811,953
14. Indianapolis: 798,594
15. Austin: 777,783
16. Columbus: 740,086
17. Fort Worth: 677,897
18. Charlotte: 685,002
19. Memphis: 635,626
20. Boston: 613,411
21. Baltimore: 636,919
22. El Paso: 602,422
23. Seattle: 582,490
24. Denver: 598,707
25. Nashville: 601,129
26. Milwaukee: 581,099
27. Washington DC: 591,833
28. Las Vegas: 577,419
29. Louisville: 566,869
30. Portland: 560,194
31. Oklahoma City: 546,503
32. Tucson: 540,104
33. Atlanta: 540,921
34. Albuquerque: 514,895
35. Kansas City: 436,402
37. Sacramento: 457,849
40. Omaha: 388,874
42. Miami: 343,142
43. Cleveland: 408,101
44. Oakland: 365,875
45. Raleigh: 367,959
47. Tulsa: 388,890
48. Minneapolis: 360,914
50. Honolulu: 371,148
52. Saint Louis: 354,361
53. New Orleans: 311,853
54. Tampa: 341,137
57. Cincinnati: 294,771
61. Pittsburgh: 297,187
70. Buffalo: 263,366
78. Jersey City: 235,769
80. Orlando: 232,337

2009 City Proper Population:
01. New York City: 8,391,881
02. Los Angeles: 3,831,880
03. Chicago: 2,850,502
04. Houston: 2,260,918
05. Phoenix: 1,593,660
06. Philadelphia: 1,547,297
07. San Antonio: 1,373,677
08. San Diego: 1,306,228
09. Dallas: 1,299,590
10. San Jose: 964,679

11. Detroit: 910,848
12. San Francisco: 815,358
13. Jacksonville: 813,518
14. Indianapolis: 807,640
15. Austin: 790,593
16. Columbus: 773,021
17. Fort Worth: 731,588
18. Charlotte: 704,417
19. Memphis: 676,646
20. Boston: 645,187
21. Baltimore: 637,418
22. El Paso: 620,440
23. Seattle: 616,669
24. Denver: 610,345
25. Nashville: 605,466
26. Milwaukee: 605,027
27. Washington DC: 599,657

28. Las Vegas: 567,610
29. Louisville: 566,492

30. Portland: 566,606
31. Oklahoma City: 560,226
32. Tucson: 543,907
33. Atlanta: 540,932
34. Albuquerque: 529,216
35. Kansas City: 482,228
37. Sacramento: 466,685
40. Omaha: 454,714
42. Miami: 433,143
43. Cleveland: 431,369
44. Oakland: 409,151
45. Raleigh: 404,551
47. Tulsa: 389,369
48. Minneapolis: 385,384
50. Honolulu: 374,658
52. Saint Louis: 356,587
53. New Orleans: 354,850
54. Tampa: 343,879
57. Cincinnati: 333,013
61. Pittsburgh: 311,640
70. Buffalo: 270,221
78. Jersey City: 242,503
80. Orlando: 235,876


After you get to the 30's you'll notice that some of the numbers are not there, I didn't want to waste time with satellite cities and suburbs of larger cities like Mesa & Arlington, so I kept them out of it.


Thoughts:
-Las Vegas & Louisville recorded their first population decline. Las Vegas took a big hit. Louisville saw a very very microscopic decline. But Las Vegas saw a massive one.
-Baltimore has just now shown after 60 years that its population is going to grow again.
-Philadelphia seems to be on Phoenix's neck.
-Chicago has started growing again and will continue too, there must be a lot of infill taking place within the city.
-Atlanta, Miami, Oakland, Cleveland, Buffalo, & others are all growing and there must be some infill taking place.
-Detroit seems to be struggling to stabilize, but it doesn't look too bad compared to what it seemed to be before. Hopefully it can reverse the decline.

Source: American FactFinder

Please note: Yeah, I know city populations aren't important compared to Metros, but I still thought this would be interesting. Another thing, the moment I see even one post that starts a bicker parade and back and forth swings at each other (and respective locations) I will request for this to be closed. (I prefer there to be no bickering here, keep it civil and constructive) So keep it civil, want to bicker get a room, DM each other, do whatever besides derailing my thread.

I think you forgot to add any instigating.
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Old 09-29-2010, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Originally Posted by Awesome Danny View Post
Well many of us here use ACS all the time, but the problem was, it was outdated by 2 years. They only had up to 2008 information there. So basically cities with struggling population gains/loses like Chicago & Philadelphia you would have no idea if they continued given trends or not.

Well yesterday they finally released the 2009 population and demographic estimates too. So we no longer need to use the 2008 numbers anymore.
I wanted to dedicate this thread to my hometown Chicago, and cities along with it like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Detroit, New York City, & San Francisco, that way you can see if the city proper is growing or shrinking from 2008 to now.
So first I want to put the 2008 numbers, (remember this is only for city proper population).

2008 City Proper Population:
01. New York City: 8,363,710
02. Los Angeles: 3,803,383
03. Chicago: 2,741,455
04. Houston: 2,224,670
05. Phoenix: 1,525,257
06. Philadelphia: 1,447,395
07. San Antonio: 1,292,997
08. San Diego: 1,266,963
09. Dallas: 1,227,082
10. San Jose: 916,715
11. Detroit: 912,493
12. San Francisco: 808,976
13. Jacksonville: 811,953
14. Indianapolis: 798,594
15. Austin: 777,783
16. Columbus: 740,086
17. Fort Worth: 677,897
18. Charlotte: 685,002
19. Memphis: 635,626
20. Boston: 613,411
21. Baltimore: 636,919
22. El Paso: 602,422
23. Seattle: 582,490
24. Denver: 598,707
25. Nashville: 601,129
26. Milwaukee: 581,099
27. Washington DC: 591,833
28. Las Vegas: 577,419
29. Louisville: 566,869
30. Portland: 560,194
31. Oklahoma City: 546,503
32. Tucson: 540,104
33. Atlanta: 540,921
34. Albuquerque: 514,895
35. Kansas City: 436,402
37. Sacramento: 457,849
40. Omaha: 388,874
42. Miami: 343,142
43. Cleveland: 408,101
44. Oakland: 365,875
45. Raleigh: 367,959
47. Tulsa: 388,890
48. Minneapolis: 360,914
50. Honolulu: 371,148
52. Saint Louis: 354,361
53. New Orleans: 311,853
54. Tampa: 341,137
57. Cincinnati: 294,771
61. Pittsburgh: 297,187
70. Buffalo: 263,366
78. Jersey City: 235,769
80. Orlando: 232,337

2009 City Proper Population:
01. New York City: 8,391,881
02. Los Angeles: 3,831,880
03. Chicago: 2,850,502
04. Houston: 2,260,918
05. Phoenix: 1,593,660
06. Philadelphia: 1,547,297
07. San Antonio: 1,373,677
08. San Diego: 1,306,228
09. Dallas: 1,299,590
10. San Jose: 964,679

11. Detroit: 910,848
12. San Francisco: 815,358
13. Jacksonville: 813,518
14. Indianapolis: 807,640
15. Austin: 790,593
16. Columbus: 773,021
17. Fort Worth: 731,588
18. Charlotte: 704,417
19. Memphis: 676,646
20. Boston: 645,187
21. Baltimore: 637,418
22. El Paso: 620,440
23. Seattle: 616,669
24. Denver: 610,345
25. Nashville: 605,466
26. Milwaukee: 605,027
27. Washington DC: 599,657

28. Las Vegas: 567,610
29. Louisville: 566,492

30. Portland: 566,606
31. Oklahoma City: 560,226
32. Tucson: 543,907
33. Atlanta: 540,932
34. Albuquerque: 529,216
35. Kansas City: 482,228
37. Sacramento: 466,685
40. Omaha: 454,714
42. Miami: 433,143
43. Cleveland: 431,369
44. Oakland: 409,151
45. Raleigh: 404,551
47. Tulsa: 389,369
48. Minneapolis: 385,384
50. Honolulu: 374,658
52. Saint Louis: 356,587
53. New Orleans: 354,850
54. Tampa: 343,879
57. Cincinnati: 333,013
61. Pittsburgh: 311,640
70. Buffalo: 270,221
78. Jersey City: 242,503
80. Orlando: 235,876


After you get to the 30's you'll notice that some of the numbers are not there, I didn't want to waste time with satellite cities and suburbs of larger cities like Mesa & Arlington, so I kept them out of it.


Thoughts:
-Las Vegas & Louisville recorded their first population decline. Las Vegas took a big hit. Louisville saw a very very microscopic decline. But Las Vegas saw a massive one.
-Baltimore has just now shown after 60 years that its population is going to grow again.
-Philadelphia seems to be on Phoenix's neck.
-Chicago has started growing again and will continue too, there must be a lot of infill taking place within the city.
-Atlanta, Miami, Oakland, Cleveland, Buffalo, & others are all growing and there must be some infill taking place.
-Detroit seems to be struggling to stabilize, but it doesn't look too bad compared to what it seemed to be before. Hopefully it can reverse the decline.

Source: American FactFinder

Please note: Yeah, I know city populations aren't important compared to Metros, but I still thought this would be interesting. Another thing, the moment I see even one post that starts a bicker parade and back and forth swings at each other (and respective locations) I will request for this to be closed. (I prefer there to be no bickering here, keep it civil and constructive) So keep it civil, want to bicker get a room, DM each other, do whatever besides derailing my thread.
Approx :
NYC 2009 compared to 2008: + 28,000
LA 2009 compared to 2008: + 28,000
Chicago 2009 compared to 2008: + 109,000 (what ?)
Houston 2009 compared to 2008: + 36,000
Dallas 2009 compared to 2008: + 72,000
Atlanta 2009 compared to 2008: + 1,000
Miami 2009 compared to 2008: + 90,000 (that must be a mistake I guess)
Phoenix 2009 compared to 2008: + 68,000
Detroit 2009 compared to 2008: - 1,600
San Francisco 2009 compared to 2008: + 6,000
Austin 2009 compared to 2008: + 13,000
San Antonio 2009 compared to 2008: + 80,000
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Old 09-29-2010, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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I think the Census made a statement on a fairly large understament of Philly in the 2008 number recently - HTown may have the link
Yeah for Chicago too. It was very unreal, and the city started worrying me a bit since it had these sporadic growths and declines. Like it grew 1990-2000 and all of 2000 it started to decline again and now back to growing. The city is a bit of a roller coaster, and its good to see it finally putting that infill to good use.

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Originally Posted by kidphilly View Post
This would show an ~100K jump in the Philly proper number (in just one year which i would doubt honestly even though it is seeing the best growth in 50+ years) and just as a comparison and perspective a 6.9% increase year over year; by comparison Houston was a 1.6% growth year over year. So I think the 2008 was a tab bit understated. Either way I am happy to say that Philly proper is showing some great life, and this growth I believe actually may put the overall city density back above Chicago.
I'm also glad to see Philadelphia growing again, its very close to Phoenix. I will wait for 2010 to see where they both stand at. But I would suspect both to be above 1.6 million and very close to each other on that.
The US Census has time and time again done the same to Chicago with their under counting, but yeah its nice to see the city stabilizing and growing again.

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And hell projecting this growth rate forward we may catch Houston
Haha go for it, the more the motivation the better. Dallas & San Diego seem to be trading places back and forth per say. That one will also be interesting.

Also note, I know many states like California, Texas, Illinois have their own figures for population count, and California I believe shows 5% larger population in their cities then the US Census does, but I think by what we see from the US Census, most cities seem to be pretty stable.
I am happy to see Oakland picking up again, there seems to be a good level of infill there, and also crime is on a record low for Oakland this year. And a lot of nice developments coming in, congratulations to Oakland on this one.
Also to Upstate New York, Buffalo reversed population decline and is growing again too. That's great news.

But Las Vegas though, man its taking a hard hit. First time in its history recording a population loss, for the decade with the immense growth from 2000-2007 it will come off as a gain for the decade but last 2 years for Las Vegas have been brutal.

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Originally Posted by RenaudFR View Post
Approx :
NYC 2009 compared to 2008: + 28,000
LA 2009 compared to 2008: + 28,000
Chicago 2009 compared to 2008: + 109,000 (what ?)
Houston 2009 compared to 2008: + 36,000
Dallas 2009 compared to 2008: + 72,000
Atlanta 2009 compared to 2008: + 1,000
Miami 2009 compared to 2008: + 90,000 (that must be a mistake I guess)
Phoenix 2009 compared to 2008: + 68,000
Detroit 2009 compared to 2008: - 1,600
San Francisco 2009 compared to 2008: + 6,000
Austin 2009 compared to 2008: + 13,000
San Antonio 2009 compared to 2008: + 80,000
Chicago is seeing a lot of infill, its had projects and developments to attract more to the inner city. That's all just starting to kick in, and the population is stabilizing now. It will show a loss of 44,000 for the decade but it will recover that within 2 years anyways and continue to head to an increase nearing 3 million. Great news for Chicago.
And nahh Miami isn't a mistake, its also growing the same way as Chicago by infill. People moving from the suburbs to the city, and also immigration and birth.

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I think you forgot to add any instigating.
Nahh I'm just hoping that posters this time are respectful enough to NOT take any bait and bicker for once. Haha, maybe my expectations are too high from the posters on this site?
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Old 09-29-2010, 02:46 PM
 
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Dallas should pass San Diego by 2010.
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Old 09-29-2010, 02:48 PM
 
Location: The City
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Originally Posted by RenaudFR View Post
Approx :
NYC 2009 compared to 2008: + 28,000
LA 2009 compared to 2008: + 28,000
Chicago 2009 compared to 2008: + 109,000 (what ?)
Houston 2009 compared to 2008: + 36,000
Dallas 2009 compared to 2008: + 72,000
Atlanta 2009 compared to 2008: + 1,000
Miami 2009 compared to 2008: + 90,000 (that must be a mistake I guess)
Phoenix 2009 compared to 2008: + 68,000
Detroit 2009 compared to 2008: - 1,600
San Francisco 2009 compared to 2008: + 6,000
Austin 2009 compared to 2008: + 13,000
San Antonio 2009 compared to 2008: + 80,000
You forgot Philly +100,000 another what?
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Old 09-29-2010, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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2008 and 2009 City Proper Population:
01. New York City: 8,363,710 8,391,881
02. Los Angeles: 3,803,383 3,831,880
03. Chicago: 2,741,455 2,850,502
04. Houston: 2,224,670 2,260,918
05. Phoenix: 1,525,257 1,593,660
06. Philadelphia: 1,447,395 1,547,297
07. San Antonio: 1,292,997 1,373,677
08. San Diego: 1,266,963 1,306,228
09. Dallas: 1,227,082 1,299,590
10. San Jose: 916,715 964,679
11. Detroit: 912,493 910,848
12. San Francisco: 808,976 815,358
13. Jacksonville: 811,953 813,518
14. Indianapolis: 798,594 807,640
15. Austin: 777,783 790,593
16. Columbus: 740,086 773,021
17. Fort Worth: 677,897 731,588
18. Charlotte: 685,002 704,417
19. Memphis: 635,626 676,646
20. Boston: 613,411 645,187
21. Baltimore: 636,919 637,418
22. El Paso: 602,422 620,440
23. Seattle: 582,490 616,669
24. Denver: 598,707 610,345
25. Nashville: 601,129 605,466
26. Milwaukee: 581,099 605,027
27. Washington DC: 591,833 599,657
28. Las Vegas: 577,419 567,610
29. Louisville: 566,869 566,492
30. Portland: 560,194 566,606
31. Oklahoma City: 546,503 560,226
32. Tucson: 540,104 543,907
33. Atlanta: 540,921 540,932
34. Albuquerque: 514,895 529,216
35. Kansas City: 436,402 482,228
37. Sacramento: 457,849 466,685
40. Omaha: 388,874 454,714
42. Miami: 343,142 433,143
43. Cleveland: 408,101 431,369
44. Oakland: 365,875 409,151
45. Raleigh: 367,959 404,551
47. Tulsa: 388,890 389,369
48. Minneapolis: 360,914 385,384
50. Honolulu: 371,148 374,658
52. Saint Louis: 354,361 356,587
53. New Orleans: 311,853 354,850
54. Tampa: 341,137 343,879
57. Cincinnati: 294,771 333,013
61. Pittsburgh: 297,187 311,640
70. Buffalo: 263,366 270,221
78. Jersey City: 235,769 242,503
80. Orlando: 232,337 235,876
Went ahead and put them side by side for anyone who doesn't want to keep scrolling up and down
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Old 09-29-2010, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Near Chicago
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I notice the census site has two different numbers for Chicago. American survey estimates says one thing and the other says another. According to ACS estimates, Chicago had 2,850,502. The other estimate(and the one C-D has) shows Chicago had 2,851,268 people in 2009. Not much of a difference, but it does raise an eyebrow slightly.
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Old 09-29-2010, 03:10 PM
 
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33. Atlanta: 540,921 540,932

This is way too low.....What 11 people????
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