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View Poll Results: Which city is the capital of Black America in your opinion?
NYC Area 51 5.31%
Phil 17 1.77%
DC 94 9.78%
Atlanta 561 58.38%
Memphis 10 1.04%
New ORleans 24 2.50%
Houston 17 1.77%
Seattle 11 1.14%
Chicago 26 2.71%
Detroit 66 6.87%
Other (include in your reply) 10 1.04%
There is none. 74 7.70%
Voters: 961. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-14-2010, 02:41 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I'm speaking for anyone who finds this topic utterly absurd. To suggest that a city represents the "capital" of all black people suggests that all black people are alike. IMO, nothing could be further from the truth. There are black people living in NYC and Boston today who wouldn't be caught dead in Atlanta.

About my "projecting" or my "personal hatred", you are not qualified to know this because you know thing about me. Don't kill the messenger because you can't handle the message.

About my feelings about the South, I despise bigotry as practiced anywhere, including the South. I have an utter disdain for the racial history of the South and the present-day ultra-conservative leanings of the region. Many black people are content to live elsewhere because of this too. A city within this region is far from being a focal point for black people who define commonality by factors other than racial similarities.
I know your post history, and it speaks volumes. You have nothing but total disdain for any city that is not in the older and colder regions of the country, and you have ALWAYS been extremely divisive and arrogant when it comes to any place you don't deem worthy of your arrogant and elitist views.

This city happens to be THE undisputed CRADLE of the Civil Rights movement - but you compleley dismiss this undeniable fact. This was the ONLY major American city that did not explode into major riots after the assasination of MLK, and it just happens to be his home town. Get a damn clue, and check out the view outside of your hollow ivory tower.
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Old 10-14-2010, 03:12 AM
 
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In response to a poster who said that graduates from AUC only contribute to local Atlanta politics, doesn't that add to the point that Atlanta is the Black capital using that reasoning? Which of the cities being compared to Atlanta has produced that many Black local politicians? This is why in the early 20th century Blacks were flocking to Harlem to experience the renaissance; because we ran it.
that's a good point. i came across this book recently that i think is relevant to what we're discussing. i was only able to skim through it at the bookstore but it looks like an interesting read. The title is "Challenging U.S. Apartheid: Atlanta and Black Struggles for Human Rights, 1960–1977"
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"Challenging U.S. Apartheid is an innovative, richly detailed history of Black struggles for human dignity, equality, and opportunity in Atlanta from the early 1960s through the end of the initial term of Maynard Jackson, the city’s first Black mayor, in 1977. Winston A. Grady-Willis provides a seamless narrative stretching from the student nonviolent direct action movement and the first experiments in urban field organizing through efforts to define and realize the meaning of Black Power to the reemergence of Black women-centered activism. The work of African Americans in Atlanta, Grady-Willis argues, was crucial to the broader development of late-twentieth-century Black freedom struggles."
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Old 10-14-2010, 05:54 AM
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Location: Queens, NY
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You originally made it seem like he was universally hated out there; you also made it seem like he was completely isolated from Detroit in some tucked away suburb that he never ventured away off from. My goal was simply to show how this cannot be true. How do you become "childhood friends" with all these people who even you would admit lived IN detroit (i.e. proof).

You obviously know more about how much he is respected in the D, because you live there--so I wont argue that. But eminem is the best selling ARTIST OF THE DECADE (look it up), so why the hell would detroit NOT want a guy like that affiliated with their city?!? I just don't get that? Also, vibe magazine voted him as the best rapper alive! Why the hell would people in Detroit feel the need to 'play down' his presence?! I completely understand if they don't like his music, and are more into the people you named, but being able to claim to be the home of an artist of this stature should be an honor!

Not to mention his movie 8 mile (like it or not) gave Detroit a reputation for having a very strong and impressive hiphop scene. While people in Detroit obviously already knew this, it made people all of the world aware of that aspect of Detroit. All in all, Eminem would be a good look for ANY city--let alone Detroit.
this is pretty much all i was trying to say.

i'm trying to picture everybody but ppl in detroit running to the store to cop sslp and mmlp circia 99-2001...

for the record, i'm not from detroit at all...but i specifically remember getting into debates with a dude from detroit around 2002-2003 on the net who swore up and down that shady records/aftermath had the illest roster and he messed with em heavily.

at the time i was a fan of the roc so i wasn't buying that and we always went back and forth. so basically his opinion is the complete opposite of detroitloves...and he's from the same city as you, detroitlove. its too bad he no longer posts because i'd like to ask him some questions and show him this thread.
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Old 10-14-2010, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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Atlanta is easily the answer to this question.

And to the sensitive people that get offended by the question, chill out. We know there are black people everywhere. But since we are the overwhelming minority in most places in the country, there's absolutely nothing wrong with asking where our culture is most dominant and where we tend to be most successful.

BTW, whose idea was it to put Seattle on there? Lol
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Old 10-14-2010, 07:28 AM
 
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that's a good point. i came across this book recently that i think is relevant to what we're discussing. i was only able to skim through it at the bookstore but it looks like an interesting read. The title is "Challenging U.S. Apartheid: Atlanta and Black Struggles for Human Rights, 1960–1977"
Product Description:
"Challenging U.S. Apartheid is an innovative, richly detailed history of Black struggles for human dignity, equality, and opportunity in Atlanta from the early 1960s through the end of the initial term of Maynard Jackson, the city’s first Black mayor, in 1977. Winston A. Grady-Willis provides a seamless narrative stretching from the student nonviolent direct action movement and the first experiments in urban field organizing through efforts to define and realize the meaning of Black Power to the reemergence of Black women-centered activism. The work of African Americans in Atlanta, Grady-Willis argues, was crucial to the broader development of late-twentieth-century Black freedom struggles."
This seems like it would be a good book. Atlanta definitely has a strong case, as it seems others have so deemed according to this poll. However, NYC, Phily, DC, Chicago, Detroit, and Memphis have a strong reason and AA culture for why they should be considered.
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Old 10-14-2010, 07:31 AM
 
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This seems like it would be a good book. Atlanta definitely has a strong case, as it seems others have so deemed according to this poll. However, NYC, Phily, DC, Chicago, Detroit, and Memphis have a strong reason and AA culture for why they should be considered.
I agree that all of the above cities have strong African-American communities, but realistically only NYC, Chicago, DC or Atlanta could ever claim the mantle of "Black Capital". Those four cities have gone above and beyond what other cities have done.

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Old 10-14-2010, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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The things you named are all good, but are relatively recent developemnts. Lets not forget about the hundreds of years in which Blacks were stripped of their names, seperated from their families, barred from education, and generally murdered. That was most prevalent in the south, especially the deep south. In all likely hood, what our ancestors went through was probably considerably worst than what the jews went through in Germany. Philadelphia was the epicenter of the abolitionist, far more important than the civil rights(black dependence) farce.

Atlanta is significant in black American history, but more in a "let my people go" kind of way. Atlanta is the stereotype of black culture pushed by Uncle Toms like tyler perry and the such. Madea, and Meet the Browns etc. is not even close to being authentic black culture. TV and the media likes to portray most blacks as either comedic buffoons or career criminals, which couldn't be further from the truth. Just ask Spike Lee.

Atlanta is exactly what the popular media wants black culture to be, and has no real relationship authentic black american culture.
Seriously?

Nice to know that white and black northerners are equally uninformed on CD
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Old 10-14-2010, 08:01 AM
 
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Also, having black capitals is what is going to continue to keep this nation segregated. We need to become more integrated. When blacks wanting to move to a place without little research, they may be guided at this poll/thread when deciding their relocation. It's not fair that we always have to have a place just dedicated to us. We should be able to do better and good in cities like Portland, Seattle, Billings, Anchorage, and other places in oppose to these self-proclaimed black meccas and capitals. I thought this was America.
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Old 10-14-2010, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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Also, having black capitals is what is going to continue to keep this nation segregated. We need to become more integrated. When blacks wanting to move to a place without little research, they may be guided at this poll/thread when deciding their relocation. It's not fair that we always have to have a place just dedicated to us. We should be able to do better and good in cities like Portland, Seattle, Billings, Anchorage, and other places in oppose to these self-proclaimed black meccas and capitals. I thought this was America.
I see nothing wrong with wanting to live in areas with decent black populations, black businesses, and black cultural experiences. As a matter of fact, in a way, integration has hurt the black community in a lot of ways. Now I'm not saying I want to go back to the Jim Crow days...of course not. But black business and industry is at an all time low as well as black media. Why should we move to Portland, Seattle, and other places like that? Out of curiosity.
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Old 10-14-2010, 08:20 AM
 
Location: GA-TX
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Also, having black capitals is what is going to continue to keep this nation segregated. We need to become more integrated. When blacks wanting to move to a place without little research, they may be guided at this poll/thread when deciding their relocation. It's not fair that we always have to have a place just dedicated to us. We should be able to do better and good in cities like Portland, Seattle, Billings, Anchorage, and other places in oppose to these self-proclaimed black meccas and capitals. I thought this was America.
It is not fair but most minorities thrive in a white dominated society by having something of their own in their communities and by helping each other. The illusion of complete integration won't happen on a positive level as long white people have privilege in this country. Should we hate white people and not work with them; heck no. Should we support each other in a reasonable and rational fashion since no one else will; yes.

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