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1990-2000?? the data you posted is pretty old the link I posted is more recent as Chicago has already blown past those cities in downtown population growth. You need to look at 2010.
It really depends on what you consider downtown, if you include the neighnborhoods directly adjoined - less than a ten minute or less walk to the how this was defined you are closer to 180K and add in University City also directly abutting the CBD you are closer to 250K all within a ten minute walk.
other measure actually have Philly as the second largest residential downtown in the US over Chicago - some just consoider the loop - to me all these expand somewhat beyond the tigh confines - today G-ho, Fitler Sq, Bella Vista, Queen Village, No Libs and the Art Museum area all feel like downtown not to mention the 75K living in U City
Phila can give Chica good run for money. one thing I can remember about chica when I saw for first time was some areas of core seems to die after work hour and many for nice weekend nightlife have to go north end of city. dont get me wrong because I like chicago it is still in my mind second real city in America but Phila imo has consistent urbanity that does not ever reach dying levels in core. as you get closer to core in phila density gets from high to very high, it is like Brooklyn almost. Chicagos density to me feels very unbalanced and seems to range from parts of city
both good cities though, but i give edge to chicago by city for larger density and urban framework but I give edge to phila for exhilaration of density approaching core.
On the earlier point of Downtown and populations - this picture is taken 15 blocks from where the Center City cutoff is on population and downtown
This also shows some sense of the density among rowhomes from South Philly back toward Center City
Meanwhile, 15 blocks away from the Loop and you're still among highrises. Here's the view from the Hancock observatory, about 10 blocks from the Loop, looking away from the Loop.
Meanwhile, 15 blocks away from the Loop and you're still among highrises. Here's the view from the Hancock observatory, about 10 blocks from the Loop, looking away from the Loop.
I am not disputing this at all - but that is mostly lined along the coast - like Miami but - I actually prefer the neighborhoods in a few blocks to be honest in your image from the line along the coast
and for the record I absolutely love Chicago but to me on downtown vibrance Philly is at least equal - I believe surpassing Chicago - on Skyline there is no contest but at street level to me this is a different story. But Chicago is larger and has urbanity over a wider area
But some people say Philly loses density/vibrance at the border which is not true - this is in Delaware County PA - Philly almost gets to the same population as Chicago given the same sq milage and on MSA remember an area like Waukegan is already 15-20 miles into the NYC MSA - the development is similar - actually more people in the same space from that perspective just counted in different places here
That's Upper Darby, which isn't even 3 miles from Center City.
What's your point?
Yes it is - my point is that Philly is not that much smaller than Chicago - on skyline Chicago is a lot bigger but on size and continuance of urbanity Philly is very close - even the UA just gets cut because of the NYC MSA - it resides in an area where the cities are much closer together
My pictures are really a result where a Chicago poster outlined a 9 square block area in chicago that represented the downtown of Philly and that the developement dropped off beyond - yes in highrises Chicago are more impressive and over a larger area larger but on developed urbanity it is much closer than some stats would show
Point on a place like Upper Darby - it is not included in the city population yet is as close and as developed as an area like wicker park
Yes it is - my point is that Philly is not that much smaller than Chicago - on skyline Chicago is a lot bigger but on size and continuance of urbanity Philly is very close - even the UA just gets cut because of the NYC MSA - it resides in an area where the cities are much closer together
My pictures are really a result where a Chicago poster outlined a 9 square block area in chicago that represented the downtown of Philly and that the developement dropped off beyond - yes in highrises Chicago are more impressive and over a larger area larger but on developed urbanity it is much closer than some stats would show
Point on a place like Upper Darby - it is not included in the city population yet is as close and as developed as an area like wicker park
So your suburbs start at less than 3 miles from Center City and you think Philly isn't that much smaller than Chicago? And you think Upper Darby is as developed as Wicker Park even though Wicker Park has nearly twice the population density?
Point on a place like Upper Darby - it is not included in the city population yet is as close and as developed as an area like wicker park
You could say the same thing about places like Oak Park and Evanston. Judging by that picture, Upper Darby isn't nearly as urban and developed as Wicker Park.
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