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Old 07-22-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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You were going great, until you posted your last sentence. Now you're just perpetuating the same stereotypes as everybody else. Don't believe that just because a city is trendy that equates to being important.

Why are Denver, Seattle, and SD "heavyweights," when Seattle and SD have fewer Fortune 500 Companies than Milwaukee, and Denver has the exact same amount? Milwaukee and Denver are each home to 8 F500's, Seattle is only home to 7, and SD is home to a very unimpressive 3.
HAHA there you go again jjacobeclark with your stat manipulations. Who cares if Milwaukee has a bunch of fringe F500s when a singular Seattle F500 has more market capitalization than all of the Milwaukee companies combined? Do the real math, not your fail-math. You come off as misinformed and grasping at straws.

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Old 07-22-2010, 04:30 PM
 
Location: MINNESOTA
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I will never consider myself Minnesotan, but as long as I'm living here I don't mind hearing us referred to as flyover country. I think it's to the TC area's advantage to remain under the radar. BTW, does it really bother Minnesotan's to hear flyover country, etc...? I've never heard anyone complain about it.
Not sure, but it's often used as in insult or with an insulting tone. Ironically I am watching Entourage right now and Ari Gold just said "...Soccer moms in flyover country..." in a condecending tone.

It's irritating to hear that type of stuff.

I also heard something like that on PTI the other day my Michael Wilbon, ironically who is from the midwest. He said something like "....if you're gonna do that, go to the midwest where it's flat and you can get away with that stuff..."
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Shawnee, KS
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I think that the mountains give Denver the edge here. Minneapolis is great though.
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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I'll loan you some lakes if we can borrow a few mountains?
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Old 07-22-2010, 05:09 PM
 
Location: MINNESOTA
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Originally Posted by jjacobeclark View Post
You were going great, until you posted your last sentence. Now you're just perpetuating the same stereotypes as everybody else. Don't believe that just because a city is trendy that equates to being important.

Why are Denver, Seattle, and SD "heavyweights," when Seattle and SD have fewer Fortune 500 Companies than Milwaukee, and Denver has the exact same amount? Milwaukee and Denver are each home to 8 F500's, Seattle is only home to 7, and SD is home to a very unimpressive 3.
F500s don't directly correlate to being a 'great place to live'.

I'm talking in terms of:

Healthiness
Education
Livability
Public Transportation
Amentities
Size of the Metro
Entertainment
Professional Sports

etc.

Don't get salty because Milwaukee is a peg below the Twin Cities, that's just how it is. I think that the Twin Cities fall into a category of Pittsburgh, Seattle, Denver and San Diego moreso than Milwaukee and St. Louis and Cleveland.

Through research, professional conventions and volunteering, as well as my Degree in college and my general knowledge from reading and visiting... I woul

Group A
LA
Chicago
NYC

Group B
Houston
Miami
San Francisco
Philadelphia
DC
Boston
Dallas
Atlanta (maybe...if not definitely in C)

Group C
Seattle
Denver
Twin Cities
Pittsburgh
Detroit
Maybe Atlanta (see above)
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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F500s don't directly correlate to being a 'great place to live'.

I'm talking in terms of:

Healthiness
Education
Livability
Public Transportation
Amentities
Size of the Metro
Entertainment
Professional Sports

etc.
What do those things have to do with being "heavyweights" as you put it? When I think heavyweight, I'm thinking economic powerhouse.

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Don't get salty because Milwaukee is a peg below the Twin Cities, that's just how it is. I think that the Twin Cities fall into a category of Pittsburgh, Seattle, Denver and San Diego moreso than Milwaukee and St. Louis and Cleveland.
LOL. Who's salty? I'm well aware that Milwaukee is a step below MSP, that wasn't even what I was disputing. I was disputing you calling Denver, Seattle, and SD "heavyweights." My point was to demonstrate that Milwaukee could actually hold its own against those cities you viewed as being equals of MSP.

BTW, Milwaukee has just as many pro sports teams as SD, and just as many F500's as Denver.

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Through research, professional conventions and volunteering, as well as my Degree in college and my general knowledge from reading and visiting... I woul

Group A
LA
Chicago
NYC

Group B
Houston
Miami
San Francisco
Philadelphia
DC
Boston
Dallas
Atlanta (maybe...if not definitely in C)

Group C
Seattle
Denver
Twin Cities
Pittsburgh
Detroit
Maybe Atlanta (see above)
Here's how I would rate the following cities using your boxing analogy.

Heavyweight
NYC

Junior heavyweight
Chicago
LA

Light heavyweight
Atlanta
Boston
Dallas-Ft. Worth
DC-Baltimore
Houston
Miami
Philadelphia
SF Bay Area

Super middleweight
Cleveland
Denver
Detroit
Minneapolis-St. Paul (big for their weight class)
Phoenix
Pittsburgh
San Diego
Seattle
St. Louis

Middleweight
Austin
Charlotte
Columbus
Indianapolis
Kansas City
Las Vegas
Louisville
Memphis
Milwaukee
Nashville
Orlando
Portland
Sacramento
San Antonio
Tampa-St. Petersburg
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Old 07-23-2010, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Jersey Boy living in Florida
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^ I actually think Baltimore should be one city instead of "DC-Baltimore" and be in the Super Middleweight class, keep DC in Light Heavyweight though. Lol, all in all I think you made a pretty good list though.
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:40 AM
 
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hey if people consider minneapolis flyover country then thats a good thing just as long as it keeps those people from ever coming here.
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Old 07-23-2010, 11:28 AM
 
Location: MINNESOTA
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Here's how I would rate the following cities using your boxing analogy.

Heavyweight
NYC

Junior heavyweight
Chicago
LA

Light heavyweight
Atlanta
Boston
Dallas-Ft. Worth
DC-Baltimore
Houston
Miami
Philadelphia
SF Bay Area

Super middleweight
Cleveland
Denver
Detroit
Minneapolis-St. Paul (big for their weight class)
Phoenix
Pittsburgh
San Diego
Seattle
St. Louis

Middleweight
Austin
Charlotte
Columbus
Indianapolis
Kansas City
Las Vegas
Louisville
Memphis
Milwaukee
Nashville
Orlando
Portland
Sacramento
San Antonio
Tampa-St. Petersburg
Touche-

I like your list way better.
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Old 07-29-2010, 12:53 AM
 
Location: District of Columbia
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Minneapolis

I think the TCs is one of the best kept secretes in the country. I was very impressed with the area when I interviewed here last year. Hopefully it will remain that way at least until I'm old enough to retire on a lake home.
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