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Because it's was a rarity for them...there have been many things that have happened here since the 30 years you mentioned,whatever that means. The throwing snowballs at Santa was just symbolic of their nasty attitudes...the pelting of batteries,having a jail on premises,the 2008 Phillies riots,fans beating up/vomiting on others and generally repelling fans from visiting teams are just a few that come to mind.
"Santa" says he would have thrown snowballs at himself. He was a scrawny, drunk, 19-year-old kid who was plucked from the stands. It's hardly symbolic of anything. This was back in 1968, btw.
In order for something to be viewed as exclusively a Philadelphia phenomenon, it can't have happened in many places. Yes, some Philadelphia fans are guilty of throwing batteries at JD Drew. But Broncos fans through battery-stuffed iceballs at the Raiders. In Cleveland, the fans threw batteries at the Broncos (back in '89). In Minnesota, a ref was hit in the head by a fan-thrown whiskey bottle. Giants fans threw snow and ice at Chargers players (injuring 15 people).
The jail at the Vet was a publicity stunt for the judge. Notice how there isn't one at Lincoln Financial. Did the fans just suddenly become better behaved?
Riots happen everywhere.
One fan (from jersey) threw up on another Phillies fan. Then six Phillies fans tackled him. Why would you judge Philadelphia fans by the one guy and not the six others?
Generally repelling fans? Oakland, Denver, New York, Boston. It happens in lots of cities. The rottenness of the Philadelphia fan base gets exaggerated and if it happens in Philly it will get reported (with the irrelevant Santa Claus references).
clean=bland=boring
i don kno why people kiss seattle azz so much here, i bet 95% havent even been there, let alone lived there and making assumptions based on some magazine ratings
saying things like clean is what matters mean u think nyc, chicago, etc are all bad too, which i dont see people sayin at the same time, seems like some double standards
First, clean does not equal bland nor boring. That's a ridiculous equivalence. Second, your logic infers that 'dirty' is exciting. Also a false equivalence.
Most citizens of the modern west like nice, clean neighborhoods. We don't get our excitement from the type of activity that is often associated with dirty neighborhoods. If you do, there are plenty of run-down, forgotten about places for you to spend your life in. I submit that Philadelphia, a historical city with the eighth or ninth largest economy in the world, should set a better example than to suffer the crime and the decay that it does. The 'dirt' is embarrassing and those that prefer it need to prefer it somewhere else. This is not an appropriate city to be an apologist for. It needs to be better.
Yes, large portions of Chicago and New York are certainly bad by any rational standard. Although, New York has made a heck of an effort to remedy much of that in the past fifteen years or so. They have made progress.
When low crime, clean, interesting cities such as Tokyo, Seoul, Singapore, Reykjavik, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich, Vienna, Vancouver, and Sydney exist, it's clear that there is no excuse for the crime and filth of many American cities. It's embarrassing, and if you aren't embarrassed then you are part of the problem.
The urban blight in the Philadlephia area is confined to less than 1/10 of 1 % of the region. But keep spreading the misinformation if it makes you feel good.
Absolutely false. You should put that percentage back where you retrieved it from. Less than 1/10 of 1 % of the region. You make me laugh, and hard.
First, I assume you are talking about land area. Okay, let's talk about land area. The "region" is thought of as the five county region of Philadelphia, Bucks, Montgomery, Delaware, and Chester. Even when taking this large area into account, the urban blight contained within Southwest Philadelphia and North Philadelphia, alone, would constitute quite a significant percentage of the land area of these five counties. And that is excluding the other isolated but significant pockets of urban blight in the region. However, this was a conversation about Philadelphia. If we take Philadelphia county alone, the urban blight land area would be well into the double digits in terms of a percentage of total land area. I'm still curious as to where you pulled that strange statistic from. It seems like it just sounded good in your head, and so you threw it out there. It, however, is completely false.
First, clean does not equal bland nor boring. That's a ridiculous equivalence. Second, your logic infers that 'dirty' is exciting. Also a false equivalence.
Most citizens of the modern west like nice, clean neighborhoods. We don't get our excitement from the type of activity that is often associated with dirty neighborhoods. If you do, there are plenty of run-down, forgotten about places for you to spend your life in. I submit that Philadelphia, a historical city with the eighth or ninth largest economy in the world, should set a better example than to suffer the crime and the decay that it does. The 'dirt' is embarrassing and those that prefer it need to prefer it somewhere else. This is not an appropriate city to be an apologist for. It needs to be better.
Yes, large portions of Chicago and New York are certainly bad by any rational standard. Although, New York has made a heck of an effort to remedy much of that in the past fifteen years or so. They have made progress.
When low crime, clean, interesting cities such as Tokyo, Seoul, Singapore, Reykjavik, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich, Vienna, Vancouver, and Sydney exist, it's clear that there is no excuse for the crime and filth of many American cities. It's embarrassing, and if you aren't embarrassed then you are part of the problem.
nyc didnt really do anyth, its still a giant slum and the only reason it got better was for gentrification with many transplants moving in due to mad nyc hype
other cities don't have that luxury, altho i do agree that its a shame how they look, including nyc and philly
i feel like nyc has the resources, but the leaders dont feel much need to clean up the city, since its nyc and people will come there anyway, no matter what
The rottenness of the Philadelphia fan base gets exaggerated and if it happens in Philly it will get reported (with the irrelevant Santa Claus references).
I wonder why...whether you like it or not Philly just has that rough image. Whether it started with Rocky or whatever,that's the way it is. Places like Harlem and Brooklyn in NYC had reps similar to that,but now it seemed to have cleaned up a bit.
First, clean does not equal bland nor boring. That's a ridiculous equivalence. Second, your logic infers that 'dirty' is exciting. Also a false equivalence.
Most citizens of the modern west like nice, clean neighborhoods. We don't get our excitement from the type of activity that is often associated with dirty neighborhoods. If you do, there are plenty of run-down, forgotten about places for you to spend your life in. I submit that Philadelphia, a historical city with the eighth or ninth largest economy in the world, should set a better example than to suffer the crime and the decay that it does. The 'dirt' is embarrassing and those that prefer it need to prefer it somewhere else. This is not an appropriate city to be an apologist for. It needs to be better.
Yes, large portions of Chicago and New York are certainly bad by any rational standard. Although, New York has made a heck of an effort to remedy much of that in the past fifteen years or so. They have made progress.
When low crime, clean, interesting cities such as Tokyo, Seoul, Singapore, Reykjavik, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich, Vienna, Vancouver, and Sydney exist, it's clear that there is no excuse for the crime and filth of many American cities. It's embarrassing, and if you aren't embarrassed then you are part of the problem.
Well you are right. It is something not unique to Philadelphia. There are grit and ghettos in many many cities throughout the US. If you have ever been to Philadelphia, you would know that the core area (Center City, University City and surrounding areas) that are nice and/or gentrifying are very nice and clean and/or being cleaned up. Also there are other sections like the Northwest and most of the Northeast that are very clean and nice. Also, the majority of the suburbs are too. I know most people who live out West and don't frequent these cities won't believe this, but Philadelphia is much cleaner than NYC.
I wonder why...whether you like it or not Philly just has that rough image. Whether it started with Rocky or whatever,that's the way it is. Places like Harlem and Brooklyn in NYC had reps similar to that,but now it seemed to have cleaned up a bit.
I agree with you. It is just a bad rep, which was most likely earned at one point, but I wouldn't say it is deserved anymore. Things have changed in Philadelphia. The city is on it's way back and is in a renaissance and trying to shake that image. Anyone who thinks Philadelphia is still the way it was just 10 years ago, has not been here. Only time will shake that image, just like NYC did, just like LA did. Both of those cities had terrible images in the 80s and 90s.
Absolutely false. You should put that percentage back where you retrieved it from. Less than 1/10 of 1 % of the region. You make me laugh, and hard.
First, I assume you are talking about land area. Okay, let's talk about land area. The "region" is thought of as the five county region of Philadelphia, Bucks, Montgomery, Delaware, and Chester. Even when taking this large area into account, the urban blight contained within Southwest Philadelphia and North Philadelphia, alone, would constitute quite a significant percentage of the land area of these five counties. And that is excluding the other isolated but significant pockets of urban blight in the region. However, this was a conversation about Philadelphia. If we take Philadelphia county alone, the urban blight land area would be well into the double digits in terms of a percentage of total land area. I'm still curious as to where you pulled that strange statistic from. It seems like it just sounded good in your head, and so you threw it out there. It, however, is completely false.
Actually, the Philadelphia Region includes:
Metro Area Pennsylvania Philadelphia
Bucks County
Montgomery County
Chester County
Delaware County
New Jersey Camden County
Burlington County
Gloucester County
Salem County
Delaware New Castle County
Maryland Cecil County
and the CSA adds these counties Pennsylvania Berks County
New Jersey Cumberland County
Cape May County
Atlantic County
The "ghetto areas" will be oversimplified. For instance, not all of North or West or Southwest Philadelphia are ghetto, and not all of Wilmington or Norristown is ghetto, but we will assume they are just for the purposes of this exercise.
Can't find anything on North Philadelphia, but it is slightly larger than West Philadelphia, so we will assume it is 20 sq miles. Again, not all of North Philadelphia is ghetto, but for this purpose we will assume it is.
Again, can't find anything on Southwest Philadelphia, but it is slightly smaller than West Philadelphia, so we will assume it is 12 sq miles. Not all of Southwest Philly is ghetto, but we will assume it is for this exercise.
That is a total of83.1 sq miles divided by the total sq mileage of the Philadelphia Metropolitan area which is 5,118 sq miles and you get:
1%
So one percent of the metro is ghetto. Hardly overwhelming
You guys on City Data crack me up with your over-exaggerations.
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