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View Poll Results: The movement in rankings of your Metro can best be described as?
Upward 14 60.87%
Stagnant 1 4.35%
Moderate (Upward not to fast) 5 21.74%
Decline 2 8.70%
Other 1 4.35%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-01-2010, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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Yes there is a difference between the two. And I just couldn't make two separate threads on this it would probably have angered the mods, along with the fact that 5 threads I've made in the past are in the top page right now.

Please read closely, this is important that you read instructions before spouting off about what you think and stuff.

I'll start it off with the World Urban Areas list from 2010 and then I'll do the Urban Areas (US) from 2006 (the last time they configured the population).

And PLEASE do NOT discuss any of the other cities that are not in North America on this list. Apart of Terms of Services it is prohibited to discuss places like Shanghai, and whatnot.

Demographia states its source for its information (In Order from most accepted to least):
- National Population Authorities, where representative agglomeration data is available such as the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, Sweden, France, Canada, & Norway.
- Demographia population estimates developed lower order jurisdictional data from national census authorities.
- Estimates based on United Nations Population Prospects, Revision of 2007 database. The UN database contains important deviations from agglomeration authority.
- Estimates from Local Jurisdictions

The Changes in World Urban Areas From the Year 2000 (Changes will be effective in 2010):

- Toronto has added in Oshawa & Hamilton
- Vancouver has added in Abbotsford
- Boston has added in Nashue & Worcester
- Chicago has added in Kenosha & Round Lake
- Dallas-Fort Worth has added in Denton
- Houston has added in The Woodlands
- Los Angeles has added in Riverside-San Bernardino & Mission Viejo
- New York City has added in Bridgeport, New Haven, Trenton, Danbury, & Highstown
- San Francisco-Oakland has added in San Jose & Concord

The New 2010 World Urban Areas Standing (Round up to nearest completed thousand):
01. Tokyo: 35,200,000
02. Jakarta: 32,000,000
03. Mumbai: 21,255,000
04. Delhi: 20,995,000
05. Manila: 20,795,000
06. New York City: 20,610,000
07. Sao Paulo: 20,180,000
08. Seoul: 19,910,000
09. Mexico City: 18,690,000
10. Shanghai: 18,400,000
11. Cairo: 17,290,000
12. Osaka: 17,000,000
13. Kolkata: 15,535,000
14. Los Angeles: 14,775,000
15. Shenzen: 14,470,000
16. Beijing: 13,955,000
17. Moscow: 13,675,000
18. Gangzhou: 13,245,000
19. Istanbul: 13,125,000
20. Karachi: 13,085,000
21. Buenos Aires: 12,975,000
22. Rio De Janeiro: 11,670,000
23. Dongguan: 10,525,000
24. Paris: 10,195,000
25. Dhaka: 10,135,000
26. Nagoya: 10,025,000
27. Lagos: 9,450,000
28. Chicago: 9,185,000
29. London: 8,580,000
30. Kinshasa: 8,425,000
31. Bangkok: 8,250,000
32. Tehran: 8,170,000
33. Lima: 7,995,000
34. Bogota: 7,845,000
35. Ho Chi Minh City: 7,785,000
36. Chennai: 7,545,000
37. Johannesburg: 7,480,000
38. Essen-Dusseldorf: 7,290,000
39. Bangalore: 7,155,000
40. Lahore: 7,110,000
41. Hong Kong: 7,055,000
42. Hyderabad: 6,720,000
43. Tianjin: 6,675,000
44. Taipei: 6,270,000
45. Toronto: 5,900,000
46. Baghdad: 5,850,000
47. Kuala Lumpur: 5,835,000
48. Santiago: 5,805,000
49. Dallas-Fort Worth: 5,620,000
50. Bay Area: 5,550,000
51. Chongqing: 5,460,000
52. Miami: 5,405,000
53. Madrid: 5,390,000
54. Ahmedabad: 5,370,000
55. Philadelphia: 5,320,000
56. Hangzhou: 5,305,000
57. Wuhan: 5,260,000
58. Khartoum: 5,180,000
59. Shenyang: 5,160,000
60. Houston: 4,935,000
61. ----------- Number 61 was removed by the UN
62. Belo Horizonte: 4,865,000
63. Boston: 4,815,000
64. Chengdu: 4,785,000
65. Riyadh: 4,740,000
66. Singapore: 4,635,000
67. Atlanta: 4,625,000
68. Saint Petersburg: 4,530,000
69. Luanda: 4,510,000 (Tied with Washington DC)
70. Washington DC: 4,510,000 (Tied with Luanda)
71. Yangon: 4,400,000
72. Milan: 4,345,000
73. Alexandria: 4,295,000
74. Guadalajara: 4,210,000
75. Barcelona: 4,200,000
76. Abidjan: 4,105,000
77. Surat: 4,035,000
78. Phoenix: 3,985,000
79. Xi'an: 3,955,000
80. Ankara: 3,885,000
81. Detroit: 3,880,000

Source One (Go to page 123): http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf
Source Two: List of urban areas by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now that is for the World Urban Areas. The difference between the World Urban Areas & the US Urban Areas is that the definition of the land boundaries changes.

For example in the USA only Philadelphia, Washington DC, Atlanta, & Phoenix are A/A.

A/A means that the land boundaries stay the same going into World Urban Areas from the US Urban Areas.

The rest, Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Dallas-Fort Worth, New York City, Miami, & Bay Area are H/H.

H/H means that going from US Urban Areas the UN and other authorities also combined the present land area from the US Urban Area and added in neighboring Agglomeration Areas. Such as for San Francisco-Oakland they added in San Jose. And this is effective as of March, 2010.

The UN defines these areas and one of 7 different types of Agglomerations. there is A/A, B/B, C/C, D/D, E/E, F/F, & H/H

Now for the US Urban Areas as of 2000 and then I will post afterward their 2006 counterparts. (No recent official counts have been released since 2006)

US Urban Areas 2000:
01. New York City: 17,799,861
02. Los Angeles:
11,789,487
03. Chicago:
8,307,904
04. Philadelphia:
5,149,079
05. Miami-Fort Lauderdale:
4,919,036
06. Dallas-Fort Worth:
4,145,659
07. Boston:
4,032,484
08. Washington DC:
3,933,920
09. Detroit:
3,903,377
10. Houston:
3,822,509
11. Atlanta:
3,499,840
12. San Francisco-Oakland:
3,228,605
13. Phoenix:
2,907,049

Source:
List of United States urban areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US Urban Areas 2006:
01. New York City: 18.65 Million
02. Los Angeles: 12.22 Million
03. Chicago: 8.80 Million
04. Miami-Fort Lauderdale: 5.48 Million
05. Philadelphia: 5.36 Million
06. Dallas-Fort Worth: 4.72 Million
07. Atlanta: 4.47 Million
08. Houston: 4.39 Million
09. Boston: 4.37 Million
10. Washington DC: 4.25 Million
11. Detroit: 3.99 Million
12. Phoenix: 3.51 Million
13. San Francisco-Oakland: 3.36 Million

Source: City Mayors: World's largest urban areas in 2006 (1)

Now a lot of people here are clueless to the fact that they've tried to downplay the gain levels of places like Miami-Fort Lauderdale, Atlanta, Houston, Washington DC, & Dallas-Fort Worth. But most of these Metropolitan Areas (MSA) have grown between 700,000-1,300,000 this last decade alone.

And people here are still trying to say they only gained like a maximum of 200,000 on the Urban Area at the most. LOL how does that make sense? It only does those who are trying to hide it.

So I found a couple of things to be wrong with ACS/Factfinder quite a good bit and I emailed my concerns to them directly. The things I found to be flawed were as the following:
- How is it possible for Dallas-Fort Worth to lose nearly 40% of its Korean population from 2008 to 2009?
- How was it possible for Rio Rnancho to gain 14,000 Irish people in 1 year? When that even exceeds their net migration overall.
- How is it possible for Dallas-Fort Worth to gain 20,000 Asian Indians from 2008 to 2009 when Immigration from India only brought in 3,400? The net flow and migration from other cities into DFW was not enough to bring such a massive amount to DFW in one year.
- How was it possible for Chicago to grow 103,000 people in the city limits between 2008 and 2009? That's unheard of especially given Chicago has not increased land boundaries/
- How is it possible for Houston/DFW/Washington DC/Atlanta/Miami to gain between 750,000 people to 1,300,000 people from 2000 to 2010 and their urban areas only gained a pinch drop amount? Where as their urban areas in 2000 correlated directly to their MSA population in 2000.

For example Atlanta MSA in 2000 was 4,247,981 and the US Urban Area in 2000 was 3,499,840. Meaning only a 800,000 people drop off between MSA to UA.

And ACS/Factfinder states 2009 UA for Atlanta to be
4,183,353 which is where the MSA population was in 2000. Now Atlanta MSA from 2000 to 2009 has gained 1.3 Million new people and only makes such a puny contribution to its 2009 UA?

I took my questions about each of the following visual errors I saw, and believe you and me, skim through ACS and you'll directly see quite a lot of errors including the Per Capita Income indexes for 2009 which are still at year 2000 levels.

I received a response back from a respondent, named Susan Tang, and she verified that these are just updates and like any updates they are prone to flaws and misinformation. She told me that last date that the US Census Information before the collection for the official 2010 US Census information was on,
Last Revised: March 14, 2008. And that they were just estimates given, not thoroughly checked by any at home paper works, and no background data gathered.
More or less to wait until 2010 Numbers come out before getting any official information from the recent updates on ACS.

I encourage anyone here who has similar questions to email their concerns to ACS at:
FactFinder@census.gov

That is the official public response email address to contact them for any questions and concerns. I knew a lot of their information was off, like where it stated Chicago reached as low as 2.7 Million in population and the very next year it gained 103,000 people and back into the 2.8 Millions.

Chicago is known to be unpredictable in population losses and gains but not even they can lose 75,000 people in one year in the city limits and the next year gain 103,000. That's just absurd.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:39 PM
 
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Paul where are you??? are you seeing this???

lol didn't I tell you that Philly would drop in UA from 4th to 7th?? ha ha.

TOLD YA SO.

just didn't expect it to occur so soon.

Where is Killakoolaide?
what do you think of Houston's UA now?? I was expecting Houston's UA to grow by about 800K, but more than a Million?? whoohoo, Exceeds Expectations
Houston surpassed Detroit, DC, and Boston this decade? nice.

we are on your tail Paul and we will be there in two years

EDIT: you forgot to highlight ATL in your world UA list.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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Eh the thing about it was, I seriously had no idea that ACS would leave such a drop off. But even then, if anyone doubts that information (Which I can name at least 3 suspects on CD who will) they display on ACS they can do two of the following things:
- Think logically for once, we're talking about Metro Areas that freakin gained 1.3 Million people in a decade. The hell do Anti-Advocates think those people moved to? A farm outside of the Urban Area line? LOL LOL So that logic goes as saying 1 Million people moved to farm lands outside of the Urban Area lines of the given cities. LOL Hilarious!
- They can easily E-Mail given the email address i posted above and ask themselves. And then they can let reality set in.

LOL unbeliavable, every source besides ACS and even the UN states higher, the ACS respondent herself claimed information can be flawed until the official Decade Census Information comes out. And any logical mind who has seen reports state 700,000-1,300,000 have moved to Atlanta/Dallas/Houston/Washington DC/ Miami/Phoenix will know that the Urban Area from 2000 to 2009 will have added more than just "200,000".

LOL
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:51 PM
 
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Since Philly overlaps with NYC UA(Just like SanFran and Sanho overlap) then that really means that Philly's UA is around 25 mil.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:53 PM
 
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Since Philly overlaps with NYC UA(Just like SanFran and Sanho overlap) then that really means that Philly's UA is around 25 mil.
lol, don't pull that crap. you can't just claim other people's UA. If it was one continuous urban area it would be listed as such

Philly is going down.

pretty soon the city of San Antonio and Dallas will surpass it. citywise
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:56 PM
 
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Eh the thing about it was, I seriously had no idea that ACS would leave such a drop off. But even then, if anyone doubts that information (Which I can name at least 3 suspects on CD who will) they display on ACS they can do two of the following things:
- Think logically for once, we're talking about Metro Areas that freakin gained 1.3 Million people in a decade. The hell do Anti-Advocates think those people moved to? A farm outside of the Urban Area line? LOL LOL So that logic goes as saying 1 Million people moved to farm lands outside of the Urban Area lines of the given cities. LOL Hilarious!
- They can easily E-Mail given the email address i posted above and ask themselves. And then they can let reality set in.

LOL unbeliavable, every source besides ACS and even the UN states higher, the ACS respondent herself claimed information can be flawed until the official Decade Census Information comes out. And any logical mind who has seen reports state 700,000-1,300,000 have moved to Atlanta/Dallas/Houston/Washington DC/ Miami/Phoenix will know that the Urban Area from 2000 to 2009 will have added more than just "200,000".

LOL
LOL Paul was trying to tell me that most of the new inhabitants would go to Rural Brazoria and Montgomery county so they won't add to Houston's UA. lololol.

Paul where you at???
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:01 PM
 
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Obviously they have a low definition of Urban, because I'm pretty sure the woodlands is not urban. Thats like saying the pinebarrens is urban.

So what train do I hope on to get from the woodlands to DT Houston? What train do I get on do get from sanfran to DT sanHo? Theres a train that goes from CC to manhatten. Or the chinatown bus.
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:04 PM
 
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LOL Paul was trying to tell me that most of the new inhabitants would go to Rural Brazoria and Montgomery county so they won't add to Houston's UA. lololol.

Paul where you at???
Yeah and that somehow explains how Harris County gained 700,000 people last decade.

Harris County 2000: 3,400,578
Harris County 2009: 4,070,989

And the fact remains that Harris County is almost completely engulfed by Houston's Urban Area boundaries along with half of Fort Bend (Was in 2000 and still is in 2010). And maybe in the US Urban Areas version it will include Montgomery County also (The Woodlands). And yet the 2000 to 2009 only showed a mere 350,000 increase in Urban Area.

Brazoria County in comparison in the same time frame hasn't gained jack compared to Harris County by sheer numbers.

Honestly, I went out of my way to ask questions and contact people I haven't ever met, just to get clarifications the least posters on this site can do is at least try to give credit where its due. I am tired of the daily basis of disproving things that actually are and boosting things that actually aren't. And also another thing that is frustrating is when people here feel they have more authority to speak than agencies like United Nations, US Census Bureau, the US Government, & Other Federal Jurisdictions.

Simple as that.
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:17 PM
 
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Atlanta jumped up 4 spots. I think that's the largest jump. That's a good look. Miami has really jumped on the scene too.
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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Atlanta jumped up 4 spots. I think that's the largest jump. That's a good look. Miami has really jumped on the scene too.
Yeah, Atlanta had quite a jump. 2000-2007 Atlanta was the fastest growing city in its region (Compared to Houston, Dallas-Fort Worth, & Miami). But for Atlanta it started slowing down in 2008-Early 2010. I suspect that in 2010, Houston retook it as it gained faster in that same time frame and that in 2006, their Urban Area populations were virtually identical (for the most part).

However, I will state this though, Atlanta's jump was probably the largest out of any given US Metropolitan Area in recent decades.
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