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Old 12-22-2010, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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I wrote in another thread about how defensive people in Detroit are about their town and DetroitLove seems to be exhibit A.

Whether you want to consider Detroit dead, dying, declining, or more politely “past its prime,” it’s clear that Motown is one of the most screwed-up cities in the U.S. and anyone who can’t admit that is living in a state of denial.

And yes, I lived there for two years so I know the place. As my wife said, “Those were the longest two years of our lives.”

What makes the city so bad off and its defenders so seemingly oblivious? I don’t know for sure, but I suspect one reason is that so few Detroiters have ever left Detroit. When I lived there in the mid-1990s I was told that D had one of the lowest rates of in- or out- migration of any big city. That is, people who were born there, stayed there, and nobody came in. (Mind you I’m talking about the city now, not the metro area.).

That explains to me why the city seems so incredibly insular, provincial and small-time. Too many people in Detroit are happy to be there and proud of Detroit! Puh-leese. If they’d ever spent a few months living in a functional city they’d be smart enough to be embarrassed about the place. Hardly anyone knows what a functional big city is supposed to be. Detroiters are happy to sit in that dump of a city with massively dysfunctional schools, a string of corrupt politicians, thousands of abandoned buildings and empty lots, and virtually non-existent public transit. In fact, Motown has virtually nothing a functional city needs to do well. It can’t survive off of a few casinos, a new ballpark, one big downtown company (Compuware) and a few summer street festivals.

For the first month I lived in the city I didn’t have a car and took the bus to work. I was constantly struck by the fact that maybe 90% of the time I was the ONLY person reading a book or newspaper on the bus—something you’d be hard pressed to see in New York or Chicago. And the Detroit Library is magnificent. But most of the times I visited, it was empty. It’s all part of the Detroit insularity. Nobody knows or cares what goes on outside of the city so everybody is defensive about how we “pick” on Detroit

When I was there, Detroit had about 900,000 people. About one-third were poverty level or below. Say another third were effectively too poor to have much discretionary income. That would leave a solid 300,000 with working class means or more. But there was virtually no retail vibrancy, a skimpy arts sector, and I could go across the river to Windsor, Canada and have more fun downtown in a city of 200,000. Detroit couldn’t even support a McDonald’s downtown.

Detroit has changed some since then, I know. I’ve been back. But until it sheds its insularity and decides to take some radical policy steps it may not be dead, but it’ll be on life support for the foreseeable future.

End of rant.
Are you serious??? lmao look I'm not even about to even read your whole post. This thread isn't about boosting Detroit or any other city. Its about showing respect to those who do live in places like Detroit, Cleveland, New Orleans, Youngstown, Camden and many more I've seen people on here bash and bash until they are blue in the face. Why is it when there are a million threads to point out the negatives of cities everything is fine but if somone makes a non negative thread its an issue? I don't have enough energy to build up a lot of negativity for a city I don't live in and don't plan on visiting. You didn't like Detroit.....oh well. But yet your little two years here is not the same as the many people born and raised in Detroit who feel a certain way about the city because we're FROM here.
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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oh and another thing citylove

how is it that Detroit has loss half of its population but you say people born here never leave?

fyi Our downtown survives on more than Compuware and the Casinos
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:42 PM
 
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Ignore her, she simply has an axe to grind against Charlotte, but yet she still lives there!
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Old 12-22-2010, 02:12 PM
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Location: Fredericksburg, VA
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look, I never said I cared wether someone desired to come here or not
I'm trying to have a discussion here, in case you missed that. The reason why I asked is because I am curious if you can actually SEE why others have the impressions they do about Detroit. If you could acknowledge that there are shortfalls, far beyond what other major cities have, perhaps you would understand why outsiders view the city as "dead".

And it will not improve this image until these problems are mitigated to levels similar to other cities. I understand that violent crime has been on a steady decline in the last 20 years. That's a start, but Detroit seems to have a long way to go.

Or am I completely wrong? Is the outsiders viewpoint completely misguided? Are those issues I mentioned earlier no as serious as they appear? And if this is the case, how so?
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Old 12-22-2010, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Detroit's Marina District
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I wrote in another thread about how defensive people in Detroit are about their town and DetroitLove seems to be exhibit A.

Whether you want to consider Detroit dead, dying, declining, or more politely “past its prime,” it’s clear that Motown is one of the most screwed-up cities in the U.S. and anyone who can’t admit that is living in a state of denial.

And yes, I lived there for two years so I know the place. As my wife said, “Those were the longest two years of our lives.”

What makes the city so bad off and its defenders so seemingly oblivious? I don’t know for sure, but I suspect one reason is that so few Detroiters have ever left Detroit. When I lived there in the mid-1990s I was told that D had one of the lowest rates of in- or out- migration of any big city. That is, people who were born there, stayed there, and nobody came in. (Mind you I’m talking about the city now, not the metro area.).

That explains to me why the city seems so incredibly insular, provincial and small-time. Too many people in Detroit are happy to be there and proud of Detroit! Puh-leese. If they’d ever spent a few months living in a functional city they’d be smart enough to be embarrassed about the place. Hardly anyone knows what a functional big city is supposed to be. Detroiters are happy to sit in that dump of a city with massively dysfunctional schools, a string of corrupt politicians, thousands of abandoned buildings and empty lots, and virtually non-existent public transit. In fact, Motown has virtually nothing a functional city needs to do well. It can’t survive off of a few casinos, a new ballpark, one big downtown company (Compuware) and a few summer street festivals.

For the first month I lived in the city I didn’t have a car and took the bus to work. I was constantly struck by the fact that maybe 90% of the time I was the ONLY person reading a book or newspaper on the bus—something you’d be hard pressed to see in New York or Chicago. And the Detroit Library is magnificent. But most of the times I visited, it was empty. It’s all part of the Detroit insularity. Nobody knows or cares what goes on outside of the city so everybody is defensive about how we “pick” on Detroit

When I was there, Detroit had about 900,000 people. About one-third were poverty level or below. Say another third were effectively too poor to have much discretionary income. That would leave a solid 300,000 with working class means or more. But there was virtually no retail vibrancy, a skimpy arts sector, and I could go across the river to Windsor, Canada and have more fun downtown in a city of 200,000. Detroit couldn’t even support a McDonald’s downtown.

Detroit has changed some since then, I know. I’ve been back. But until it sheds its insularity and decides to take some radical policy steps it may not be dead, but it’ll be on life support for the foreseeable future.

End of rant.

Please.

I know Detroit isn't the greatest city ever. Its not even close. I'll just come out and say that some areas like Brush Park are a blighted mess. But, that doesn't give you a reason to come in here and paint Detroit with a broad brush, calling all 138 square miles of the city a ghetto thats totally devoid of life, culture, and normal people with an education.

I'm a white former suburbanite who possesses an Master's Degree and lives in Detroit's Marina District with my wife and children. It's located in the Jefferson Corridor, which almost every Detroit-basher on this forum will readily call the city's worst area.

However, I've never had a problem here, with one exception; my youngest son's bicycle was stolen from our driveway during the night. But, name one place where that wouldn't happen.

I enjoy my proximity to downtown, with its museums, fine theater, sporting events, and hundreds of restaurants (Who needs a McDonalds, anyhow?). I enjoy the friendly neighbors and smiling faces. I enjoy being able to walk to work and to the grocery store. I love everything about this city, even with all its problems!

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Old 12-22-2010, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Kerkrade, Limburg, Netherlands
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Lol my city is dead...
Its a small city compared to what has been mentioned here already.
It had a +50 000 population when I was born in 1990.
now its around 44 000...

The city is great at a few things:

Averagely seen this city has (almost) the worst statistics on:
Average income
Average education
Average age (65+ is very big)
Fastest increasing crimerates
etc....

But its my hometown ^^
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:09 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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LIke I said, Detroit people manage the trick of being extraordinarily defensive w/o having much to be defensive about. Its not the collpase of the car industry or suburbinization or crime that's killing the city. And i know full well, that there are nice place to live there and that it's not all some great big ghetto. But many cities have faced similar issues and made a greater comeback, as opposed to Detroit, which seems to be stuck in the 62nd year of its rebuilding effort.

It's the mentality that regins that is killing Motown. It's the insularity. Its the provincialism. Its sad.

And if the population has fallen with little net in-migration I'm afraid all that proves is that people who are born in Detroit die in Detroit.

I'd love to see a real rebirth there, but I don't think that the folks who live there are up to it yet because they're trapped in false pride about their city and living in denial. I hope that changes soon.
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Detroit's Marina District
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I'd love to see a real rebirth there, but I don't think that the folks who live there are up to it yet because they're trapped in false pride about their city and living in denial. I hope that changes soon.

Detroit IS being revitalized, contrary to popular belief.

I was driving around just the other day, and I saw 3 homes being restored in a neighborhood called Joseph Berry, all within a block of each other.

Big companies like Compuware and Quicken Loans are moving Downtown, which is experiencing a renaissance of sorts, with vacant buildings being restored, like the Book-Cadillac Hotel/Condos.

Formerly abandoned factories and other buildings on the riverfront, north of Downtown, are being turned into upscale lofts and office buildings. A huge swath of land off Chene Street was turned into condominiums.

Corktown is a gentrifying neighborhood, with a growing 'yuppie' presence. They're attracted there because of the ethnic diversity, eclectic businesses, and proximity to downtown.

In the Marina District, where I live, the entire neighborhood makes you feel like you're in the suburbs. They're large, well-maintained homes with big, green front lawns, swimming pools and patios, and minivans and SUV's in the driveways. There's a huge community involvement here, too. Me and my family live in a new home that faces the Detroit River, in the Marina District - and I couldn't be happier with it.
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Old 12-22-2010, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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None of the major cities listed...Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo... are anywhere near the word "dead." Ironically enough, all these cities are seeing a renaissance in development occurring pumping hundreds of millions upon hundreds of millions into their city limits.

As a recent hobby, I've tried to keep track of all the developments happening in Cleveland, OH. So far, this is the list I have be able to compile: Dead?? Kill yourself

$$$ is being invested into the city by the Lake...we are talking BILLIONS:

(Please note the $800 million that will be breaking ground in Cleveland in one month)

CLEVELAND, OH:

***BREAKING GROUND JAN 2011***
Jan 14: Cleveland Convention Center and Medical Mart (Downtown) -- $465 million LMN Architects unveil detailed concept for the Cleveland Medical Mart | cleveland.com
Jan: Flats East Bank 22-story building Phase I (Downtown/Flats) -- $270 million Cleveland's Flats East Bank project takes step forward: Crain's Cleveland Business
Jan: Flats Cleveland Aloft Hotel (Downtown/Flats) -- $48 million Cleveland's Flats East Bank hotel will carry the Aloft brand | cleveland.com
Jan: Museum of Contemporary Art – MOCA (University Circle) -- $32 million MOCA Cleveland board approves building new home in University Circle's Uptown development | cleveland.com

Under Construction:
Uptown Phase I -- Apartments and Retail (University Circle) -- $44.5 million
Developer MRN Ltd. to break ground Monday on Uptown project in University Circle | cleveland.com
VA Medical Center Expansion (University Circle) -- $526 million
Secretary of veterans affairs extols expansion of Cleveland VA medical center: Crain's Cleveland Business
University Hospitals Ireland Cancer Center (University Circle) -- $258 million
http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/i...als_cance.html
University Hospitals Ahuja Medical Center (Chagrin Highlands) -- $230 million
University Hospitals Ahuja Medical Center
Cleveland Clinic Reference Laboratory (University Circle) -- $75 million Cleveland Clinic breaks ground for $75M reference laboratory « MedCity News
Cleveland Museum of Art Expansion and Renovation (University Circle) -- $258 million Taking a hardhat tour of the Cleveland Museum of Art's expansion project - Cleveland Entertainment Top Story from The Plain Dealer - Cleveland.com
Schofield Building (Circa 1902) restoration into Kimpton Hotel and Apts (Downtown) -- $40 million Four Northeast Ohio projects, including new downtown Cleveland hotel, win state tax credits for historic preservation | cleveland.com
East Ohio Gas Company (Circa 1916) restoration into Law Offices (Downtown) -- $30 million Calfee, Halter & Griswold to make former WKYC Building its home: Crain's Cleveland Business
Tudor Arms (Circa 1931) Restoration into Double Tree Hotel (University Circle) -- $22 million Tudor Arms renovation is bringing a highly visible piece of old Cleveland back to life | cleveland.com
Rivergate Park Rowing Marina (Downtown/Flats) -- $10-$13 million
Creating Rivergate Park: Cleveland Rowing Foundation buys site on Cuyahoga River | cleveland.com
Circle 118 University Circle Townhomes (University Circle) -- $8 million Circle 118 townhouses by WXZ Development add life to University Circle in Cleveland | cleveland.com
27 Coltman Little Italy Townhomes (University Circle) -- $11 million
Luxury townhouses in Cleveland's Little Italy are selling, but court fight looms | cleveland.com
Hanna Broadway Theater Renovations (Circa 1921) (Downtown)-- $20 million
Hanna Theater at Cleveland's Playhouse Square
Allen Broadway Theater Renovations and Expansions (Circa 1921) (Downtown) -- $30 million
Work begins on renovations to Allen Theatre at PlayhouseSquare | cleveland.com
Tyler Village ongoing renovations (circa 1890-1930)(Asiatown) Tyler Village - History and Future of this Unique Office Space
Battery Park waterfront residental (Detroit-Shoreway/westside) -- $100 million Vintage Development Group, LLC - BATTERY PARK
Perk Park Renovations (Downtown) -- $1.2 million http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/in...provement.html
Anthony J. Celebrezze Federal Building Renovations (Downtown) -- $121 million Federal building on East Ninth Street getting $121 million stimulus makeover | Metro - cleveland.com - cleveland.com
Cleveland State University "College Town" (Downtown) -- $14 million so far Cleveland City Planning Commission
Cleveland Insitute of Art Expansion (University Circle) -- $50 million Cleveland Institute of Art will break ground in May on Uptown expansion | cleveland.com
Pierre's Ice Cream Factory Expansion (Midtown) -- $8 million Pierre's Ice Cream starts factory expansion this week | cleveland.com
American Sugar Factory Expansion (Midtown) -- $8 million American Sugar expansion plan would nearly double Cleveland plant's size | cleveland.com
Cleveland State University Euclid Commons Dorms Phase II (Downtown) -- $65 million (total for both phases) http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us...tail.php?ID=29
1030 Euclid Ave, Truman Building renovations into residental (Downtown) Investors plan Schofield building rehab; $52M downtown project, which includes offices and a hotel, hinges on securing historic tax credits | North America > United States from AllBusiness.com (http://www.allbusiness.com/real-estate/commercial-residential-property/12867378-1.html - broken link)
629 Euclid Ave renovations for Rosetta (Downtown) -- $5 million Digital agency Rosetta plans to bring nearly 400 jobs to new downtown Cleveland offices | cleveland.com
6700 Euclid Ave, Midtown Tech Park construction (Midtown) -- $21 million Properties For Sale - Investment Property, 6700 Euclid Ave., Cleveland, OH
7515 Euclid Ave, Emerald Alliance V construction (Midtown) -- $25 million CHN News - CHN Wins State Funding for 3 Affordable Housing Projects
E. 55th Rapid train Station (Midtown) -- $10 million E 55 Rapid Station | Major Projects | Planning & Development | Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority
Brookpark Rd Rapid train Station (near Airport) -- $1.2 million
Stimulus money will help redesign the Brookpark Road RTA rapid station | cleveland.com
Hawken High School renovations and extension campus (University Circle) -- $6.6 million Hawken School to open new learning center in University Circle | cleveland.com


Planning Stages:
Cleveland Casino Phase I Restoration of Higbee Building (Circa 1931) (Downtown) -- $50 million Cleveland casino to open in two phases, in connected buildings | cleveland.com
Cleveland Casino Phase II Construction (Downtown/Flats) -- $600 million Dan Gilbert, Forest City reach deal on land for Cleveland casino | cleveland.com
Wind Turbines on Lake Erie -- $100 million
Developers named to build Lake Erie wind turbines - BusinessWeek
Third District Police Station (Midtown) -- $14.5 million Cleveland, developer work out unusual financing for Third District police station project | cleveland.com
University Circle Uptown Hotel -- $15 million Developers lined up to build 150-room hotel in University Circle | cleveland.com
Great Lakes Brewery Expansion -- $6 million Growth on tap at Great Lakes Brewing Co. - Cleveland Business News - Northeast Ohio and Cleveland - Crain's Cleveland Business
1010 Euclid Ave, Security Federal Building into offices (Downtown)
Investors plan Schofield building rehab; $52M downtown project, which includes offices and a hotel, hinges on securing historic tax credits | North America > United States from AllBusiness.com (http://www.allbusiness.com/real-estate/commercial-residential-property/12867378-1.html - broken link)
Cleveland State University Mixed-Use North Campus Apartments (Downtown) -- $50 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/in...ghborhood.html
Ohio City neighborhood improvements -- $1-3 million
University Circle new Rapid train Station (University Circle) -- $10.5 million
University Circle rapid station redesign in the works | cleveland.com
Temple-Tifereth Israel Renovations into CWRU Performing Arts Center (University Circle)-- $25.6 million Maltz Family Foundation donates $12 million to CWRU to let school, synagogue share Temple-Tifereth Israel | cleveland.com
Uptown/MOCA Plaza (University Circle) -- $1 million Uptown plaza design wins conceptual approval from Euclid Corridor Design Review Committee | cleveland.com
Abington Arms Apartments "Green Retrofit" (University Circle)-- $2.6 million HUDNo.2010-10-05/U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)
Cozad-Bates “Underground Railroad” House Restoration (circa 1853) (University Circle) -- $350K http://universitycircle.org/annual2010/2010-UCI-AR.pdf (broken link)


Recently Completed:
Cleveland Clinic Heart Center (University Circle) -- $500 million COMPLETED 2008
Avenue District 10-story condo building (Downtown) -- $150 million COMPLETED 2009
Cleveland State University Euclid Commons Dorms Phase I (Downtown) -- $65 million (total for both phases) -- COMPLETED 2010 http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us...tail.php?ID=29
Cleveland State University Student Center (Downtown) -- $44 million -- COMPLETED 2010 Cleveland State University's new student center provides a place to meet, eat and greet | cleveland.com
Cleveland State University Education Building -- $36 million -- COMPLETED 2010 College of Education & Human Services Building - Cleveland State University
668 Euclid Apartment Renovations (circa 1913) (Downtown) -- $70 million -- COMPLETED 2010
668 Euclid Revitalizes Central Downtown Business District
Terminal Tower Renovations (Circa 1931) (Downtown) -- $40 million COMPLETED 2009 From the top: Progress visible on Terminal Tower restoration | cleveland.com
Stonebridge Plaza 12-Story Condo Tower (Downtown/Flats) -- COMPLETED 2008
Park Lane Villa Apartments Renovations (circa 1920) (University Circle) -- $21 million COMPLETED 2008
Tremont Place Lofts Renovations (circa 1930s) (Tremont near Downtown) -- $15 million COMPLETED 2009
Euclid Corridor Bus-Rapid Transit Line connecting Downtown to University Circle -- $197 million COMPLETED 2008 Cleveland's Euclid corridor project has paved the way to economic development | cleveland.com
Asiatown Center creation and renovation (circa 1922) (Asiatown) COMPLETED 2010 -- $2-3 million Asian Town Center | Cleveland, Ohio | Home
Case Western Reserve Wind Turbine (University Circle) -- $6 million COMPLETED 2010 CWRU plans to harness wind power with turbines - News (http://media.www.cwruobserver.com/media/storage/paper1370/news/2010/09/17/News/Cwru-Plans.To.Harness.Wind.Power.With.Turbines-3932380.shtml - broken link)
Stephanie Tubbs Jones Transportation Center (Downtown) -- $9.6 million COMPLETED 2010 Stephanie Tubbs Jones Transit Center | Major Projects | Planning & Development | Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority
John Hay High School (circa 1929) restorations -- $37 million COMPLETED 2007 John Hay Campus schools live up to expectations, get excellent' rating from state - Cleveland.com
Montessori High School renovations and creation -- $2.6 million COMPLETED 2008 New high school in University Circle combines Montessori education with the International Baccalaureate program | cleveland.com
Tri-C Center for Creative Arts (Downtown) -- $27 million COMPLETED 2010 Tri-C's Center for Creative Arts among seven facilities planned by the college | cleveland.com


Proposed:
5-Story Technology Center (University Circle): $98.6 million Developer John Ferchill plans University Circle tech center: Crain's Cleveland Business
Cleveland Skatepark (Downtown/Flats): $500K A new Cleveland Skatepark? - ESPN
Cleveland Aquarium (2 proposals)
Case Western Reserve Field House (University Circle) -- $5 million Case Western Reserve University | News Center
Case Western Reserve Student Center (University Circle) -- $50 million $20 million gift to Case Western Reserve University will kick-start plans for new student center | cleveland.com
University Circle Luxury Apartments Hazel Drive (University Circle) -- $10.5 million Upscale apartments planned for Cleveland's University Circle neighborhood | cleveland.com
North Coast Transportation Center (Downtown) -- $50 million Cleveland plans intermodal transportation center to link key landmarks | cleveland.com
Cleveland Athletic Club renovations (circa 1910) -- $43 million Cleveland Athletic Club building owner settles legal dispute, but renovation plans still need financing | cleveland.com
Warner and Swasey Building renovation (circa 1880)(Midtown) Cleveland's abandoned Warner & Swasey complex could become a tech center | cleveland.com
Maingate Market Place (E. 55th and Woodland) -- $30 million Maingate Market Place plan could bring renewal to East 55th Street and Woodland Avenue | cleveland.com
Abandoned Coast Guard Station Restoration (Downtown/Whiskey Island) -- $5 million-$9.2 million Old Coast Guard station languishes; Some cleanup, repairs done, but progress scant on plans for new use | Metro - cleveland.com - cleveland.com
Slavic Village Velodrome (Slavic Village) -- $6.5 million Group moves closer to creating cycling velodrome in Cleveland's Slavic Village - Cleveland Business News - Northeast Ohio and Cleveland - Crain's Cleveland Business
Cleveland School of the Arts -- $30 million Cleveland school district to build new John Marshall High School | cleveland.com
Cleveland Natural History Museum Expansion (University Circle) -- $30-50 million Evalyn Gates takes helm at Cleveland Museum of Natural History as expansion plans gel | cleveland.com
Lot 45 (University Circle) -- $60 million University Circle Inc. unveils plans for Lot 45, a key element of the Uptown development | cleveland.com
Uptown Phase II (Ford and Euclid) (University Circle)
Uptown Hotel TBA (University Circle)
E.119th three-story Office Building (University Circle) Developers settle dispute over land in Cleveland's Little Italy | cleveland.com
Case Western Reserve West Quad -- $50 million Case Western Reserve Scales Back West Quad Project / WCPN.org
Pedestrian Bridges (Downtown/University Circle) http://blog.cleveland.com/architectu...el_rosale.html

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Old 12-22-2010, 11:14 PM
 
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That explains to me why the city seems so incredibly insular, provincial and small-time. Too many people in Detroit are happy to be there and proud of Detroit! Puh-leese.
Um, unless you're from NYC, SF, LA, or DC, Detroit is hardly "insular, provincial and small-time".

I'm a fierce critic of Detroit, but one can't deny its one of the dozen or so biggest, richest and most powerful U.S. metros.

Just off the top of the list, it's second in the Midwest to Chicago in population, economy, immigration and wealth.

It has a top 10 orchestra, opera and art museum.

It has some of the largest companies on the planet.

It has the fourth richest city in the country (Bloomfield Hills).

It has a musical heritage second to none.

It has arguably the best airport in the U.S.

Yes, Detroit has HUGE problems, but if you think Detroit is "provincial and small time", I can't imagine what you think about an Indy, a Charlotte, or a Kansas City.
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