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Old 12-16-2010, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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So basically, your opinions of other cities are all valid; however, when someone else presents facts about another city, they are considered insane? In your post that I responded to, you mentioned that some people "lean on old misconceptions". Don't you think your opinion of Phoenix is just a misconception? If it's OK for you to have an opinion, why isn't it OK for others?

BTW, what do you consider the bashing that Phoenix or other sunbelt cities get? Deserved "dumping"? Do you even read CD?

Again, I did not BASH on Phoenix ... something you're aware of. I'm not certain what angle you're coming from, but it's NOT working! Yes, opinions are acceptable ... but outright and blatant "misinformation" that is continuously spread around this site about Cleveland is quite rampant ... but then, I should not have to remind you of this ... right?
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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Again, I did not BASH on Phoenix ... something you're aware of. I'm not certain what angle you're coming from, but it's NOT working! Yes, opinions are acceptable ... but outright and blatant "misinformation" that is continuously spread around this site about Cleveland is quite rampant ... but then, I should not have to remind you of this ... right?
Have you ever been to Phoenix?
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Well, again, I don't see Continental's "possible" departure as bringing about the absolute destruction of an entire city ... in the same way a departure of Delta Airlines leaving Atlanta, would certainly NOT destroy that city ...
And just exactly where did I say that United closing the Cleveland hub would result in this?

As far as Delta is concerned, that will NEVER happen here. This IS their global HQ's, as you well know.

Don't even THINK about bringing Atlanta into this conversation.
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Again, I did not BASH on Phoenix ... something you're aware of. I'm not certain what angle you're coming from, but it's NOT working! Yes, opinions are acceptable ... but outright and blatant "misinformation" that is continuously spread around this site about Cleveland is quite rampant ... but then, I should not have to remind you of this ... right?
Angle? There is no angle.

No, of course you didn't bash on Phoenix just like others do not bash on Cleveland. You have your opinions and other people have theirs. There are no facts, just opinions. Your opinion of Phoenix is no misconception nor misinformation (just wealthy retirees and a few extraordinary resorts in the foothills - ) just like other people's opinions of other cities including Cleveland are no misconceptions.

There you have it. We'll just leave it at that.
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Angle? There is no angle.

No, of course you didn't bash on Phoenix just like others do not bash on Cleveland. You have your opinions and other people have theirs. There are no facts, just opinions. Your opinion of Phoenix is no misconception (just wealthy retirees and a few extraordinary resorts in the foothills) just like other people's opinions of other cities including Cleveland are no misconceptions.

There you have it. We'll just leave it at that.

Touche' ... thanks!
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Have you ever been to Phoenix?

Yes, I've been to Phoenix on numerous occasions ... always enjoyed my sabbatical there.
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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Yes, I've been to Phoenix on numerous occasions ... always enjoyed my sabbatical there.
lol I was going to say something sarcastic but decided against it
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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Yep "dead" Detroit

http://photo.ewebengine.com/pictures/mirc/mls/28/210019528_0h.jpg (broken link)
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:16 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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It probably would make most sense to limit the term "dead city" to cities that have become ghost towns or nearly so. Like Virginia City, Montana or Goldfield, Nevada. Maybe Cairo, Illinois too.

National Historic Landmarks Program (NHL)
The Goldfield Historical Society - Goldfield Nevada -Worlds Greatest Gold Camp
Singer Evokes Turbulent History of Cairo, Ill. : NPR
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:32 PM
 
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Dying cities
New Orleans
Youngstown
Buffalo
Pittsburgh
Flint
Cleveland
Scranton
Charleston, WV
Dayton
Detroit

Numbers don't lie all these cities are still losing people at the metropolitan level.
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