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Also keep in mind that some of the places where the Twin City rules apply have a combined Central Business District. Like they take the Downtown for Minneapolis and combine it with the Downtown for Saint Paul. Same for Dallas & Fort Worth. San Jose, Oakland, & San Francisco as well. They take all the Downtowns (CBD's) in an urban area and put them together. So no, these lists only include CBD's not other business districts like Midtowns, or Buckhead, or TMC and the likes.
What is this poly-centric thing that some metros qualify for and others do not? Most metros are poly-centric in some way. The Bay area revolves around SanFran just like New York revolves around Manhatten.
Your gonna type; "Well the bay area can be broken down into three distinct metropolitan divisions each anchored by a bay area city, SanFran/Penninsula, Oakland/Eastbay, and San Jose/South Bay."
The problem is, that same kind of dynamic can be said about most metros, not just the ones you've stated, for Example; The Delaware Valley can be broken down the same way, but it doesn't change the fact that it revolves around Philly, and the same can be said about NYC and at least a handful of other metros you don't include in your poly-centric logic.
For the Delaware Valley
Trenton/Bucks/Lehigh=Marin/North Bay(Metro North)
Philly/PA= SanFran/Penninsula(Metro West)
Camden/SJ=Oakland/East Bay(Metro East)
Wilmington/Delaware=San Jose/South Bay(Metro South)
PA+Jersey+ Delaware= The Delaware valley, the same way that the Penninsula/North Bay+East Bay+ South Bay= The Bay Area
The NYC metro is also Poly-centric
Bronx/Westchester= Metro North
Brooklyn/Queens/LI= Metro West
Staten Island/North Jersey= Metro East/South
Almost every metro could be broken down in similar poly-centric ways, and the point is, why do only some metroes get to use that to their statistical advantage, like combining downtown populations.
This is all as of June 2006. Keep in mind not 2010.
First I will list the Top 20 in terms of Employment Population. And then I will list the Top 20 in terms of Land Area of the Central Business District. And then I will list the population density of the Central Business Districts.
Also keep in mind that some of the places where the Twin City rules apply have a combined Central Business District. Like they take the Downtown for Minneapolis and combine it with the Downtown for Saint Paul. Same for Dallas & Fort Worth. San Jose, Oakland, & San Francisco as well. They take all the Downtowns (CBD's) in an urban area and put them together. So no, these lists only include CBD's not other business districts like Midtowns, or Buckhead, or TMC and the likes.
And after I post that I will post the transit ridership in the CBD's and other information also for the Top 20.
Top 20 Largest Central Business Districts by Employment Population:
01. New York City: 1,736,900
02. Chicago: 541,500
03. Washington DC: 382,400
04. Bay Area: 305,600
05. Boston: 257,000
06. Philadelphia: 220,100
07. Seattle: 155,100
08. Houston: 153,400
09. Los Angeles: 143,700
10. Atlanta: 129,800
11. Denver: 126,000
12. Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 105,400
13. Cleveland: 100,300
14. Baltimore: 98,500
15. Miami: 98,000
16. Pittsburgh: 95,600
17. Columbus: 88,800
18. Austin: 86,000
19. New Orleans: 81,400
20. Dallas-Fort Worth: 79,900
Keep in mind for Metropolitan Areas that are Poly-Nodal like Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Bay Area, & Dallas-Fort Worth, this information is Downtown Minneapolis + Downtown Saint Paul, Downtown Dallas + Downtown Fort Worth, Downtown Oakland + Downtown San Jose + Downtown San Francisco.
Top 20 Largest Central Business Districts by Land Area:
01. New York City: 7.82 Square Miles
02. Chicago: 3.36 Square Miles
03. Miami: 2.91 Square Miles
04. Columbus: 2.47 Square Miles
05. Bay Area: 2.34 Square Miles
06. Washington DC: 2.30 Square Miles
07. Atlanta: 2.17 Square Miles
08. Philadelphia: 1.71 Square Miles
09. Austin: 1.59 Square Miles
10. Cleveland: 1.54 Square Miles
11. Houston: 1.53 Square Miles (Tie with Denver)
12. Denver: 1.53 Square Miles (Tie with Houston)
13. Seattle: 1.48 Square Miles
14. Los Angeles: 1.25 Square Miles
15. Boston: 1.23 Square Miles
16. Baltimore: 1.09 Square Miles
17. New Orleans: 1.06 Square Miles
18. Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 0.72 Square Miles
19. Dallas-Fort Worth: 0.67 Square Miles
20. Pittsburgh: 0.66 Square Miles
LOL. These numbers are way off. Downtown Minneapolis employment population is currently at about 150,000 while St. Paul has a downtown employment population of about 68,000. The fact that Demographia lists downtown MPLS. plus downtown St. Paul at .72 square miles proves these lists are joke as downtown MPLS. alone is over .72 square miles.
LOL. These numbers are way off. Downtown Minneapolis employment population is currently at about 150,000 while St. Paul has a downtown employment population of about 68,000. The fact that Demographia lists downtown MPLS. plus downtown St. Paul at .72 square miles proves these lists are joke as downtown MPLS. alone is over .72 square miles.
The list i accurate just done in 2006, and it only ranks the densest area of your downtown. And not neighborhoods around it some cities have grown since then also . The list was accurate about five years ago.
The list i accurate just done in 2006, and it only ranks the densest area of your downtown. And not neighborhoods around it some cities have grown since then also . The list was accurate about five years ago.
Do you know how dense downtown MPLS. and downtown STPL. are? The combined downtown employment population of MPLS. and STPL. hasn't been 105,000 in decades. Heck, the current 218,000 employment population is probably less than what it was back in 2006.
This is all as of June 2006. Keep in mind not 2010.
First I will list the Top 20 in terms of Employment Population. And then I will list the Top 20 in terms of Land Area of the Central Business District. And then I will list the population density of the Central Business Districts.
Also keep in mind that some of the places where the Twin City rules apply have a combined Central Business District. Like they take the Downtown for Minneapolis and combine it with the Downtown for Saint Paul. Same for Dallas & Fort Worth. San Jose, Oakland, & San Francisco as well. They take all the Downtowns (CBD's) in an urban area and put them together. So no, these lists only include CBD's not other business districts like Midtowns, or Buckhead, or TMC and the likes.
And after I post that I will post the transit ridership in the CBD's and other information also for the Top 20.
Top 20 Largest Central Business Districts by Employment Population:
01. New York City: 1,736,900
02. Chicago: 541,500
03. Washington DC: 382,400
04. Bay Area: 305,600
05. Boston: 257,000
06. Philadelphia: 220,100
07. Seattle: 155,100
08. Houston: 153,400
09. Los Angeles: 143,700
10. Atlanta: 129,800
11. Denver: 126,000
12. Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 105,400
13. Cleveland: 100,300
14. Baltimore: 98,500
15. Miami: 98,000
16. Pittsburgh: 95,600
17. Columbus: 88,800
18. Austin: 86,000
19. New Orleans: 81,400
20. Dallas-Fort Worth: 79,900
Keep in mind for Metropolitan Areas that are Poly-Nodal like Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Bay Area, & Dallas-Fort Worth, this information is Downtown Minneapolis + Downtown Saint Paul, Downtown Dallas + Downtown Fort Worth, Downtown Oakland + Downtown San Jose + Downtown San Francisco.
Top 20 Largest Central Business Districts by Land Area:
01. New York City: 7.82 Square Miles
02. Chicago: 3.36 Square Miles
03. Miami: 2.91 Square Miles
04. Columbus: 2.47 Square Miles
05. Bay Area: 2.34 Square Miles
06. Washington DC: 2.30 Square Miles
07. Atlanta: 2.17 Square Miles
08. Philadelphia: 1.71 Square Miles
09. Austin: 1.59 Square Miles
10. Cleveland: 1.54 Square Miles
11. Houston: 1.53 Square Miles (Tie with Denver)
12. Denver: 1.53 Square Miles (Tie with Houston)
13. Seattle: 1.48 Square Miles
14. Los Angeles: 1.25 Square Miles
15. Boston: 1.23 Square Miles
16. Baltimore: 1.09 Square Miles
17. New Orleans: 1.06 Square Miles
18. Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 0.72 Square Miles
19. Dallas-Fort Worth: 0.67 Square Miles
20. Pittsburgh: 0.66 Square Miles
Top 20 Largest Central Business Districts by Population Density:
01. New York City: 222,100 Per Square Mile
02. Boston: 208,900 Per Square Mile
03. Washington DC: 166,300 Per Square Mile
04. Chicago: 161,200 Per Square Mile
05. Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 146,400 Per Square Mile
06. Pittsburgh: 144,800 Per Square Mile
07. Bay Area: 130,600 Per Square Mile
08. Philadelphia: 128,700 Per Square Mile
09. Dallas-Fort Worth: 119,300 Per Square Mile
10. Los Angeles: 115,000 Per Square Mile
11. Seattle: 104,800 Per Square Mile
12. Houston: 100,300 Per Square Mile
13. Baltimore: 90,400 Per Square Mile
14. Denver: 82,400 Per Square Mile
15. New Orleans: 76,800 Per Square Mile
16. Cleveland: 65,100 Per Square Mile
17. Atlanta: 59,800 Per Square Mile
18. Austin: 54,100 Per Square Mile
19. Columbus: 36,000 Per Square Mile
20. Miami: 33,700 Per Square Mile
Percentage of Total Metropolitan Area Employment Working in Downtown:
01. New York City: 20.1%
02. New Orleans: 19.0%
03. Washington DC: 18.7%
04. Austin: 17.7%
05. Hartford: 15.4%
06. Columbus: 15.2%
07. Richmond: 15.1%
08. Honolulu: 15.1%
09. Chicago: 14.3%
10. Charlotte: 13.4%
11. Louisville: 12.5%
12. Nashville: 12.4%
13. Bay Area: 12.2%
14. Denver: 12.2%
15. Cleveland: 12.2%
16. Pittsburgh: 12.0%
17. Jacksonville: 12.0%
18. Seattle: 11.3%
19. Boston: 11.1%
20. Sacramento: 10.5%
21. Rochester: 10.5%
22. Milwaukee: 10.3%
23. Cincinnati: 10.2%
24. Baltimore: 10.0%
25. Portland: 10.0%
26. Salt Lake City: 09.9%
27. Indianapolis: 09.5%
28. San Antonio: 09.5%
29. Philadelphia: 09.4%
30. Houston: 08.9%
31. Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 08.2%
32. Dayton: 07.9%
33. Orlando: 07.4%
34. Saint Louis: 07.4%
35. Atlanta: 07.3%
36. Kansas City: 06.9%
37. Buffalo: 06.7%
38. Las Vegas: 05.1%
39. San Diego: 05.0%
40. Miami: 04.7%
41. Oklahoma City: 04.7%
42. Detroit: 04.5%
43. Providence: 04.4%
44. Memphis: 04.2%
45. Dallas-Fort Worth: 04.0%
46. Virginia Beach: 03.8%
47. Tampa-Saint Petersburg: 03.8%
48. Tucson: 03.0%
49. Los Angeles: 02.5%
50. Phoenix: 02.0%
Central Business District Population, Household, and Employment For Downtown Dallas from Wiki, I know Wiki is iffy but these seem more plausible. I have found other sources with very similar data.
2000 2005 2010
Population 14,654 20,646 29,446
Households 1,122 3,318 6,015
Employment 130,473 135,148 138,224
The numbers in the report are based off the 2000 census which is now 10 years ago! The report may have been released in 2006, but this report was based off the 2000 census. So the report is good for getting numbers in the ball park, but all of the cities on the list have evolved, changed, and likely changed ranks.
Los Angeles likely has increased its share of transit users to downtown for example. In 2000 the report says 19.6% of downtown workers took transit. That is pretty big considering the rail system was a 1/3 of what it is today. In 2000 the Gold Line light rail was three years away from being finished, the subway was just finishing its extension to North Hollywood and the Purple Line subway to Mid-Wilshire was less than a year old. These lines have added thousands of transit riders to downtown since. Bus service has also been improved with Commuter Express buses and Metro Rapid BRT to downtown.
Central Business District Population, Household, and Employment For Downtown Dallas from Wiki, I know Wiki is iffy but these seem more plausible. I have found other sources with very similar data.
2000 2005 2010
Population 14,654 20,646 29,446
Households 1,122 3,318 6,015
Employment 130,473 135,148 138,224
Wikipedia's information is FAR MORE ACCURATE than the list of cities that this thread was started from with its woefully skewed numbers.
Any report that is now 10 years old for this sort of metric is essentially worthless as it completely ignores the growth dynamics that have been occurring with some cities more so than others.
Downtown Dallas alone has 135,148 people working there every day. And whats more, that does not include Uptown's numbers. Uptown has become another District in Downtown Dallas because it is impossible to demarcate where one begins and the other ends.
Including Uptown's employment numbers Downtown Dallas's core is probably closer to 180,000 employment.
The correct ranking should be:
Top 10 Largest Central Business Districts by Employment Population:
01. New York City: 1,736,900
02. Chicago: 541,500
03. Washington DC: 382,400
04. Bay Area: 305,600
05. Boston: 257,000
06. Philadelphia: 220,100
07. Dallas: 180,000
08. Seattle: 155,100
09. Houston: 153,400
10. Los Angeles: 143,700
The number of transit users for Downtown Dallas employment use will have increased as well along with the growth of Dallas' light rail mass transit system into the nation's largest system.
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