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View Poll Results: most urban?
SF 142 32.79%
LA 63 14.55%
DC 40 9.24%
Philly 122 28.18%
Boston 66 15.24%
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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OyCrumbler is the only person on here with any semblance of objectivity. This discussion would be much more interesting and thoughtful in the urban planning forum.
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:55 PM
 
Location: NYC
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OyCrumbler is the only person on here with any semblance of objectivity. This discussion would be much more interesting and thoughtful in the urban planning forum.
It took you 50 pages to realize that?
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:58 PM
 
Location: L.A./O.C.
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What about commercial strips that have no residences on top? Do you raze those and then build apartments on top of them so people can have easier access to amenities? How do you address those design issues?
W hotel hollywood condominiums - Google Maps
has residences on top, and has stores on the bottom and many things in a walking distance

sorry, it doesnt redirect you properly
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Zoning was changed, property values went up and it was profitable to develop lots that were empty, parking lots, or less dense into greater density--that was pretty much it. Things changed. Also, there was some kind of silver lining with the LA riots in that a lot of the bombed out, more sprawling commercial strip mall lots were redeveloped much more densely than before.
In Paris, you know, they just knocked it all down and started over. It's hard to retrofit something to make it function in a way that it wasn't designed to function. It would be like putting an N54 engine in a minivan and expecting it to handle the twists and turns of the Black Forest like a BMW M5. Sure, you'd get increased performance, but it wouldn't be the same as actually driving a BMW M5.
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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I don't see how being more car friendly makes L.A. less urban. It's just a lame aesthetics argument.
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Zoning was changed, property values went up and it was profitable to develop lots that were empty, parking lots, or less dense into greater density--that was pretty much it. Things changed. Also, there was some kind of silver lining with the LA riots in that a lot of the bombed out, more sprawling commercial strip mall lots were redeveloped much more densely than before.

Also, the SFH are only in small pockets in the core, and that's where most of the change is happening. Apartment complexes are where the majority live. It still effectively makes for dense housing. Los Angeles generally has corners and arterial roads for commercial activity, but the dense residential areas are immediately right off of those arterial roads (and oftentimes, you can walk to several of these arterial roads from your home) rather than building residences directly on top of the commercial buildings (also, a lot of these corner/arterial road commercial places are multiple stories or complexes of commercial/retail). It doesn't look the same as east coast cities (though in places within the heart of downtown do look like east coast cities), but it still functions very similarly in terms of dense development and walkable areas.





Fine, maybe some did, I don't agree with them and probably most people, even those are arguing that LA is urban, has stated that it blows the other cities out of the water.
I put LA at third on this list. The LA posters that are the west coast equivalent of you have stated that it blows all other cities out of the water (Oops didn't mean you Oycrumbler .)

I think I am being fairly objective and have in-depth experience on both coasts.
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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It took you 50 pages to realize that?
Haha. I gotta stop feeding the trolls, I guess.
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: L.A./O.C.
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I put LA at third on this list. The LA posters that are the west coast equivalent of you have stated that it blows all other cities out of the water (Oops didn't mean you Oycrumbler .)

I think I am being fairly objective and have in-depth experience on both coasts.
i said LA is the most urban, but not that its a whole new level of urban, they are close but i believe LA is the most urban
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:05 PM
 
Location: L.A./O.C.
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Haha. I gotta stop feeding the trolls, I guess.
look who is talking, the biggest troll on this thread
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:06 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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In Paris, you know, they just knocked it all down and started over. It's hard to retrofit something to make it function in a way that it wasn't designed to function. It would be like putting an N54 engine in a minivan and expecting it to handle the twists and turns of the Black Forest like a BMW M5. Sure, you'd get increased performance, but it wouldn't be the same as actually driving a BMW M5.
LA actually knocked down some really great stuff from its streetcar eras (there used to be narrower roads at parts or fewer roads overall, and there were a lot of large apartment complexes going up and down hills as well as old rowhouse neighborhoods)--the pictures from the early Los Angeles skyscraperpages forum were fantastic from the 50s and earlier (though the city wasn't too bad in the 60s--still fairly vibrant streets, just the 70s, 80s, and early 90s looked awful).

Point is that Los Angeles has been in a lot of flux and when it rapidly grew it was still streetcar suburb sort of neighborhoods that didn't look that out of synch with east coast cities--some of it remains, but quite a bit of it was sort of knocked out. However, the process of change can happen in other ways as well and the mid 90s to today has been a process of steadily increasing urbanity. It doesn't all have to be torn down at once--it's a piecemeal process that happens over a long period of time.
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