More urban LA, SF, DC, Philly, and Boston? (Los Angeles, life, Chicago)

[nei]

I think judging by the rectangles (25th - 75th percentiles) is a better way to judge as it excludes outliers.

Boston and Philly's are very similar; Chicago's is lower (one of Chicago's line goes in an expressway median which probably lowers the score). BART still does better than the WMTA, so it can't just be cemetery stops, just too many outer suburb stops. Cleveland's metro is strange; poor design?

NYC subways (outside of the SIR and maybe a couple PATH stops) have no park and rides. Is the same true of the LA heavy rail metro? Philly outside of PATCO?

[munchitup]

Originally Posted by nei

I think judging by the rectangles (25th - 75th percentiles) is a better way to judge as it excludes outliers.

Boston and Philly's are very similar; Chicago's is lower (one of Chicago's line goes in an expressway median which probably lowers the score). BART still does better than the WMTA, so it can't just be cemetery stops, just too many outer suburb stops. Cleveland's metro is strange; poor design?

NYC subways (outside of the SIR and maybe a couple PATH stops) have no park and rides. Is the same true of the LA heavy rail metro? Philly outside of PATCO?

I think there is a park and ride at the North Hollywood Station terminus, and maybe at Universal City, but other than that, no Park and Rides.

EDIT: Just checked, there are just the two for the Red Line. Of course the light rail system has a lot of them. If LA's light rail system was included (which is a slightly more modern and efficient than most LRT systems), then it would absolutely not be in the number one spot... probably somewhere between Chicago and SF.

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by nei

I think judging by the rectangles (25th - 75th percentiles) is a better way to judge as it excludes outliers.

Boston and Philly's are very similar; Chicago's is lower (one of Chicago's line goes in an expressway median which probably lowers the score). BART still does better than the WMTA, so it can't just be cemetery stops, just too many outer suburb stops. Cleveland's metro is strange; poor design?

NYC subways (outside of the SIR and maybe a couple PATH stops) have no park and rides. Is the same true of the LA heavy rail metro? Philly outside of PATCO?

PATCO has many park and rides and more than half the stations are pretty suburban.

The SEPTA (BSL and MFL) are very urban throughout (would be surprised if any stops other then the Stadium Stop is below 18 or 20K ppsm in the vacinity); though technically the terminus of the BSL on both ends is a park and ride; but that is the Stadium stop (where all the stadiums are, no residential at all there or much of anything and almost zero park and ride actual usage)

[BajanYankee]

Originally Posted by nei

The biggest surprise is that BART does better than the Washington Metro. I thought the DC did a better job of putting its suburban metro stops in walkable transit oriented developments.

Have you ever been to some of the far out Metro stations like Greenbelt, Glenmont, Shady Grove, New Carrolton, or Huntington? There's nothing around them. They are "park and ride" stations in very leafy, low-density suburbs.

[nei]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

Have you ever been to some of the far out Metro stations like Greenbelt, Glenmont, Shady Grove, New Carrolton, or Huntington?

No. I've been to Bethesda.

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

Have you ever been to some of the far out Metro stations like Greenbelt, Glenmont, Shady Grove, New Carrolton, or Huntington? There's nothing around them. They are "park and ride" stations in very leafy, low-density suburbs.

Outside of New Carrolton are any of the PG stations getting the more expansive TOD development. Seems like most is confined to Fairfax and MOCO

[munchitup]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

Have you ever been to some of the far out Metro stations like Greenbelt, Glenmont, Shady Grove, New Carrolton, or Huntington? There's nothing around them. They are "park and ride" stations in very leafy, low-density suburbs.

I've never been on the DC metro, but did take a bus from BWI to the Greenbelt station to get picked up by friends, and you are totally right... they are nice, quiet leafy suburbs. I tried to walk to the nearest coffee shop while I waited (and one of the commenters on the article mentioned this station by name, funny)... the nearest one was a 20 minute walk away, and that was after I figured out how to weave my way through the parking lot to a waiting area.

[BajanYankee]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

Outside of New Carrolton are any of the PG stations getting the more expansive TOD development. Seems like most is confined to Fairfax and MOCO

That's about right. I know there are a lot of homes around the recently-opened (recent meaning no more than 7 years) Morgan Boulevard and Largo Town Center stops. But that's really it for PG County. There's a lot of development around the King Street Metro station in Alexandria, too.

[soug]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

Outside of New Carrolton are any of the PG stations getting the more expansive TOD development. Seems like most is confined to Fairfax and MOCO

So far no. There are plans and plans and plans but we'll see if PG actually makes any real moves. College Park is building a glorified office park right next to its metro station, which is a shame. However, on the other side of the tracks the University of Maryland is planning on building mixed-use TOD on land that is currently used by facilities & maintenance: http://www.eastcampus.umd.edu/. Another thing to look out for is that PG County is trying to poach the FBI from DC, but Fairfax might get to it first.

PG County will eventually get its share... it has to, it has the most Metro stops outside DC itself.

[MDAllstar]

Originally Posted by nei

I think judging by the rectangles (25th - 75th percentiles) is a better way to judge as it excludes outliers.

Boston and Philly's are very similar; Chicago's is lower (one of Chicago's line goes in an expressway median which probably lowers the score). BART still does better than the WMTA, so it can't just be cemetery stops, just too many outer suburb stops. Cleveland's metro is strange; poor design?

NYC subways (outside of the SIR and maybe a couple PATH stops) have no park and rides. Is the same true of the LA heavy rail metro? Philly outside of PATCO?

D.C.'s TOD development is almost all completely in D.C. proper, Arlington County, City of Alexandria, Montgomery County, and Fairfax County. Prince George's County has almost no TOD development. Prince George's County which is a majority black county struggles to get developers to build TOD in the county and struggles to get jobs to locate in the county. Its pretty much the same thing that exists in every city. Developers and businesses don't like to locate in black area's to be blunt.

The state of Maryland is stepping in though like they always have to do across the nation to promote economic development in black area's by locating state government agencies to anchor a few mixed use developments in PG County. Many of the metro stations will have TOD around them in the next few years.