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Ray, I spoke and speak the truth. Post your density stats all day but until LA becomes more walkable with a world class subway and easily livable without a car people won't believe its urban!
Becomes more walkable than last year or what? That happened. None of the cities in this topic have a world class subway system which is regrettable and LA has a comparable one to these smaller American cities. For a similar total population to these other cities who can do the same, LA does have a number of people who live easily without a car.
[/b]QUOTE=OyCrumbler;30704822]Koreatown would be a fairly large neighborhood in some of these cities, but it's not going to be considered a city in a city--that's just ridiculous. If you were going to be really generous with Koreatown's boundaries you might get to something like just over 3 square miles which wouldn't be anywhere near the size of any of the cities being compared here. The high density you're talking about is pretty low and underneath any kind of threshold where it would be considered vibrant and walkable for the most part. This is why those UA stats are effectively useless because those are still for the most part talking about people living in suburban conditions, car-necessary conditions even if at fairly high densities.
That comment wasn't meant to be taken so literally but...
2.7 sq miles
Population: 115,000
Density: 42,000 ppsm
It's larger in land area than Center City, Philadelphia. It's larger in land area than DuPont Circle/Adams Morgan (DC), North Beach/Tenderloin (SF), and North End/Back Bay combined. COM-BINED. The population of Koreatown is comparable to those six neighborhoods as well. Again, COM-BINED.
For a "neighborhood", it's massive.[/quote]
I suppose, I guess I'm thinking of more of Chicago/NYC size neighborhoods... more comparable land/pop wise. The problem is, LA isn't a peer city to these other ones, definitely a tier above, yet still struggles to hang urban wise or in same tier in that metric.
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Becomes more walkable than last year or what? That happened. None of the cities in this topic have a world class subway system which is regrettable and LA has a comparable one to these smaller American cities. For a similar total population to these other cities who can do the same, LA does have a number of people who live easily without a car.
I don't think it's based on geography alone, look at SF for instance, it's more centralized in terms of the premier amenities than LA, same state.
Just to clarify, I don't mean to use the geography itself as an excuse. My argument was more that LA is simply much bigger and more populous than these other places and so it will have more attractions. Some of those attractions will lie outside easy reach via mass transit, but there will be a pretty large number of attractions that are within easy reach of mass transit.
This is what I don't understand. You pretend it's unfair for people to use things like walkability, tightly built neighborhoods, etc. as points because it works to the advantage of older cities...yet you bring up things like "our density continues further" as an example for LA, a city several times larger than any other of these cities.
Nonsense. I acknowledged the superior pedestrian friendliness of the older cities. If anything gets dismissed, it's the density statistics (not to mention nei and dweebo's graphs). How many times has poor nei posted that chart showing L.A.'s built density (at the core level) is right there with Boston and Philly's? Posters are still in denial about this.
2.7 sq miles
Population: 115,000
Density: 42,000 ppsm
It's larger in land area than Center City, Philadelphia. It's larger in land area than DuPont Circle/Adams Morgan (DC), North Beach/Tenderloin (SF), and North End/Back Bay combined. COM-BINED. The population of Koreatown is comparable to those six neighborhoods as well. Again, COM-BINED.
For a "neighborhood", it's massive.
Yea, it'd be a big neighborhood as I said before. It takes up the space comparable to several neighborhoods in these other cities when those cities are split up into several dozens of neighborhoods. That's why when someone criticizes LA for having just some neighborhoods that are walkable/urban, it's important to point out that several these such as Hollywood, Downtown, and Koreatown are actually very large. However, it's just as ridiculous an exaggeration to talk about ktown as a city within a city. It's a large neighborhood, that's it.
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DC is great for an American city of its metro size, that's true. I wouldn't say world class given how much better some cities of similar or even smaller sizes have it. It's definitely the best among these cities though.
Becomes more walkable than last year or what? That happened. None of the cities in this topic have a world class subway system which is regrettable and LA has a comparable one to these smaller American cities. For a similar total population to these other cities who can do the same, LA does have a number of people who live easily without a car.
Though some may not agree I do believe transit is an important factor of urbanity. When it comes to transit, all of these cities have their strengths and weaknesses.
DC is great for an American city of its metro size, that's true. I wouldn't say world class given how much better some cities of similar or even smaller sizes have it.
World Class? No. Only NYC.
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