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Old 12-28-2010, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Detroit's Marina District
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In the few years that I lived in Atlanta it was not uncommon for whites to call me the 'n-word' as they were driving by. Also, some of those far-flung suburbs were like Klan enclaves. Even Chicago was never that bad.
Maybe I'm not too familiar with Atlanta, but I doubt that would happen there. Considering how it's about 60% black, anyone who did that would surely get their butts kicked.
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Old 12-28-2010, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Maybe I'm not too familiar with Atlanta, but I doubt that would happen there. Considering how it's about 60% black, anyone who did that would surely get their butts kicked.
To be honest, I don't care what you believe. It's not important to me. That goes for the previous Doubting Thomas as well.
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Old 12-28-2010, 03:16 PM
 
Location: ITP - City of Atlanta Proper
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To be honest, I don't care what you believe. It's not important to me. That goes for the previous Doubting Thomas as well.
Actually it should matter to you because that's a very serious thing to just "say" when reality dictates it's pretty unlikely it happened to you in Atlanta. A little more context shouldn't be hard for you to do.

And if you are under the impression that such a thing could not occur elsewhere in this country, let me tell you about a little place called Howard Beach...
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Old 12-28-2010, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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While I wouldn't exactly put it this way, he does have a point about how Northern, Western and Midwestern cities dealt with racism and segregation as opposed to how it was dealt with in the South.

In South, and more so in the 20th century, there was a set of people who specifically went after and attacked the foundation of segregation and racism head on culminating in the movement lead by Dr. King. People protested, rose up and said no to being treated the they were and there was literally blood in the streets because of that. In the face of that, normal everyday Whites (the ones not in hoods) had to face their inner demons and come to terms with who they were and how society should be. Not to say that racism and segregation do not exist in the South, but the cities there really had to deal with what segregation was and acknowledge it's existence.

In comparison, Whites in cities elsewhere in America acted like they had no racial problem. Even though most of them had no Jim Crow laws, as wave after wave of migrants from the South and overseas came they were separated out into their own neighborhoods. Red lining kept the upwardly mobile blacks out of upper class neighborhoods and suburbs. While there were no "separate but equal" laws on the books, schools in black or any other ethnic minority areas were almost always less well funded than in White areas. Employment discrimination was rampant and it was rare to see people of color in corporate America in large numbers let alone positions of leadership.

The literature of African Americans of that time reflect this situation such as in Lorraine Hansburry's "Raisin in the Sun" or Richard Wright's "Native Son" and "The Outsider" and even Malcolm X's biography. The effect of living in such an environment also led directly to Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers.

All of these factors lead to the massive riots sen in places like Detroit, LA, Boston, and New York in the 1960s and 70s. Since the people in charge didn't feel they needed to change because there were no actual laws on the books like in the South and they operated from a position that were not acting inappropriately. While the situation is far better now than it once was, their inability to address those issues in a meaningful way (particularly for black Americans) even to this day has ironically led to the massive migration of African-Americans back to the South where they can be more prosperous.

Now, this subject is far bigger than a post on C-D can do justice, but there is a very tangible difference in how "the racial issue" was dealt with in the South than elsewhere. Mostly revolving around not feeding into sanctimonious BS about people living in racial harmony singing kumbaya.
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He explained it the best. This is exactly what I was saying.
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Old 12-28-2010, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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In the few years that I lived in Atlanta it was not uncommon for whites to call me the 'n-word' as they were driving by. Also, some of those far-flung suburbs were like Klan enclaves. Even Chicago was never that bad.
I'm calling this pure, unadulterated BS.

I simply do not believe this happened, and by you refusing to say where it supposedly happened speaks volumes. And just exactly WHICH far-flung suburbs are you speaking of, while were at it?
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Old 12-28-2010, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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And if you are under the impression that such a thing could not occur elsewhere in this country, let me tell you about a little place called Howard Beach...
Please quote where I said or impled that.
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Old 12-28-2010, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I'm calling this pure, unadulterated BS.

I simply do not believe this happened, and by you refusing to say where it supposedly happened speaks volumes. And just exactly WHICH far-flung suburbs are you speaking of, while were at it?
You guys really are something else. Are you people really so naive or foolish to think that this is impossible or even unlikely? Pathetic...
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Old 12-28-2010, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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While I wouldn't exactly put it this way, he does have a point about how Northern, Western and Midwestern cities dealt with racism and segregation as opposed to how it was dealt with in the South.

In South, and more so in the 20th century, there was a set of people who specifically went after and attacked the foundation of segregation and racism head on culminating in the movement lead by Dr. King. People protested, rose up and said no to being treated the they were and there was literally blood in the streets because of that. In the face of that, normal everyday Whites (the ones not in hoods) had to face their inner demons and come to terms with who they were and how society should be. Not to say that racism and segregation do not exist in the South, but the cities there really had to deal with what segregation was and acknowledge it's existence.

In comparison, Whites in cities elsewhere in America acted like they had no racial problem. Even though most of them had no Jim Crow laws, as wave after wave of migrants from the South and overseas came they were separated out into their own neighborhoods. Red lining kept the upwardly mobile blacks out of upper class neighborhoods and suburbs. While there were no "separate but equal" laws on the books, schools in black or any other ethnic minority areas were almost always less well funded than in White areas. Employment discrimination was rampant and it was rare to see people of color in corporate America in large numbers let alone positions of leadership.

The literature of African Americans of that time reflect this situation such as in Lorraine Hansburry's "Raisin in the Sun" or Richard Wright's "Native Son" and "The Outsider" and even Malcolm X's biography. The effect of living in such an environment also led directly to Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers.

All of these factors lead to the massive riots sen in places like Detroit, LA, Boston, and New York in the 1960s and 70s. Since the people in charge didn't feel they needed to change because there were no actual laws on the books like in the South and they operated from a position that were not acting inappropriately. While the situation is far better now than it once was, their inability to address those issues in a meaningful way (particularly for black Americans) even to this day has ironically led to the massive migration of African-Americans back to the South where they can be more prosperous.

Now, this subject is far bigger than a post on C-D can do justice, but there is a very tangible difference in how "the racial issue" was dealt with in the South than elsewhere. Mostly revolving around not feeding into sanctimonious BS about people living in racial harmony singing kumbaya.
Thanks for the history lesson.
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Old 12-28-2010, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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You guys really are something else. Are you people really so naive or foolish to think that this is impossible or even unlikely? Pathetic...
No, what is pathetic is you making things up to further your extremely well known anti-South agenda around here.

What is also pathetic is the very simple fact that you refuse to say just exactly WHERE this supposedly happened, and just exactly WHICH far-flung suburbs resemble Klan enclaves. THAT is what is pathetic here.
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Old 12-28-2010, 04:17 PM
 
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I'm calling this pure, unadulterated BS.

I simply do not believe this happened, and by you refusing to say where it supposedly happened speaks volumes. And just exactly WHICH far-flung suburbs are you speaking of, while were at it?


You know these girls well lie to try and prove a point. Take everything with a grain of salt. They think we live in the 1940s.

Look at this story in NY times and see what all the people had to say
What Is the Most Racist City in America? - NYTimes.com

Read this also..
Racism in NYC Restaurant Hiring: Matched Study :: racismreview.com


I mean racism can happen anywhere. People need to stop acting like this is a southern thing.
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