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Pioneer Square at night is fairly sketchy. Keep in mind, I've lived in North Carolina, not so great parts of the Bay Area, and not so great parts of Tucson, and have spent plenty of time in bad areas of Oakland (I used to work at Job Corps near there), so this is not some sheltered perspective. Parts of Pioneer Square are pretty run down - which gives it a charm during the day - but at night not so much, as you primarily see a relatively aggressive brand of homeless people, drug dealers, and other fairly sketchy characters. There are unsavory clubs that seem to spawn stabbings and shootings every once in a while. On evenings of game days, it's different, of course, but my point is for having probably the best urban bones in the City Pioneer Square (and the adjacent International District) can feel a but rundown and sketchy at night compared to other parts of the City.
Pioneer Square at night is fairly sketchy. Keep in mind, I've lived in North Carolina, not so great parts of the Bay Area, and not so great parts of Tucson, and have spent plenty of time in bad areas of Oakland (I used to work at Job Corps near there), so this is not some sheltered perspective. Parts of Pioneer Square are pretty run down - which gives it a charm during the day - but at night not so much, as you primarily see a relatively aggressive brand of homeless people, drug dealers, and other fairly sketchy characters. There are unsavory clubs that seem to spawn stabbings and shootings every once in a while. On evenings of game days, it's different, of course, but my point is for having probably the best urban bones in the City Pioneer Square (and the adjacent International District) can feel a but rundown and sketchy at night compared to other parts of the City.
Perhaps it's because I currently reside in Cleveland...
Bingo! The city is 1/3 airport. Some of the census tracts around the airport have <10 people living in them.
To your point, I'm not going to point out how other cities have similar inhabitable areas (including airports), but there is such a metric as "real population density", which takes into consideration the habitable square mileage of land for which to use as the denominator. You can easily find this for Denver using Wikipedia I think.
*Edit: the total city land area is 154 square miles, and the airport is 54 square miles of that area (assuming the airport is included in the original 154 figure, and that that figure isn't already net of the airport......I personally don't know for sure). So the population density would be (634K divided by 100), or 6,340 ppsm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver
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Pioneer Square at night is fairly sketchy. Keep in mind, I've lived in North Carolina, not so great parts of the Bay Area, and not so great parts of Tucson, and have spent plenty of time in bad areas of Oakland (I used to work at Job Corps near there), so this is not some sheltered perspective. Parts of Pioneer Square are pretty run down - which gives it a charm during the day - but at night not so much, as you primarily see a relatively aggressive brand of homeless people, drug dealers, and other fairly sketchy characters. There are unsavory clubs that seem to spawn stabbings and shootings every once in a while. On evenings of game days, it's different, of course, but my point is for having probably the best urban bones in the City Pioneer Square (and the adjacent International District) can feel a but rundown and sketchy at night compared to other parts of the City.
I agree that Pioneer Square is sketchy, Its good there is alot of new development there with the North Lot Development and the new streetcar line opening next year. Soon Pioneer Square wont be a neighborhood with freeways on two sides and stadiums on the third. With the Viaduct being torn down Pioneer Square is going to become a waterfront neighborhood. And with the stadium north lots being developed into hotels and apartments it should help gentrify Pioneer Square. Two new apartment towers where just announced last week for Western Ave. And there building another 13 Coins 24hr upscale resteraunt in The North Lot Development .
Pioneer Square is on it's way to gentrify and the International District is one of the last remaining sites where developers can produce major changes to after South Lake Union is built out.
I would say this is the urban core of Seattle and whichever neighborhoods or parts of neighborhoods fall inside of this area and its boundaries are urban to the level I would consider urban.
I would say this is the urban core of Seattle and whichever neighborhoods or parts of neighborhoods fall inside of this area and its boundaries are urban to the level I would consider urban.
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