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Hardly significant. Their 1850 population was less than 1700 people. Boston had a bigger population 2.5 centuries earlier. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt; half a century worth.
Hardly significant. Their 1850 population was less than 1700 people. Boston had a bigger population 2.5 centuries earlier. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt; half a century worth.
In most places, hardly anybody heard much about Los Angeles before the 20th century. Even today, very few people outside the western U.S. could tell you anything about Los Angeles pre-1920.
Yes, but--like Boston in the 1600s--it was hardly a city.
The urban fabric of the major cores of the East is mostly from the mid-to-late-19th century. The urban cores of the West are mostly from the early 20th.
Yes, there are small historic districts in the East coast cores that date to earlier, but on a whole, walk around in an East Coast city and you're looking at 1850 onward. On the west coast, it's 1900 onward. 50 years.
Now, despite being such a short amount of time, it's a HUGELY significant time-period (i.e. the second industrial revolution) so that by the time West Coast cities came around there was electricity for powering the red cars in LA, the cable cars in SF, etc.
The cores of Seattle, Portland, SF, Oakland, LA and SD all have a street-car character to them, while East coast cores are mostly horse-carriage based. The subways really were more similar to the west-coast streetcars at that time, bringing in well-to-do people from first-ring suburbs. The average tenement worker in NYC in 1900 didn't take the subway to work.
All of this history lesson aside... the vast majority of people in america (be it in the west, east, north, south) don't live in a core or a first-ring suburb, they live in postwar auto-oriented suburbia. Hence, my earlier point about how I'd rather live in postwar suburbia in the west than in the east.
But my first choice is to live where I do live - in the streetcar suburbs of a west coast city, where the lots and streets were drawn up at the turn of the 20th century, and where I can walk to local stores and yet still be surrounded by gardens, sunshine, and diverse architectural forms and styles.
Dont mind Nineties Flava hes on crack right now. "Hope you get over your addiction" Now for WCvEC
East coast wins in location geography you can choose different types of climates, alot more different life styles, East coast has alot more things than the West coast i can name hundreds of things. East coast got NYC, Miami, DC (capital), Orlando, Boston Buffalo Baltimore Atlantic City etc... West coast.... SF LA LV Seattle Portland SD and thats it GG. Plus East coast has easy access to most of the world like Europe, Africa, Latin America. East coast has more histroy than the west coast
Nope, no drugs here. I'd have to wonder why you're putting Orlando, Buffalo and Atlantic City on the same pedestal as NYC, Miami, DC & Baltimore and then proceed to only list the well known cities on the west coast.
Oakland
Long Beach
Sacramento
San Jose
Reno
Spokane
Tacoma
Napa
All more than stack up to Orlando/Buffalo/Atlantic City.
All of this history lesson aside... the vast majority of people in america (be it in the west, east, north, south) don't live in a core or a first-ring suburb, they live in postwar auto-oriented suburbia. Hence, my earlier point about how I'd rather live in postwar suburbia in the west than in the east.
Bravo... I fully agree with you actually. What percentage of the US population actually lives in dense, urban, century old neighborhoods with no sprawl? Not a whole lot. But it's always nice to experience it when visiting the city; just like one would visit Paris solely for it's architecture and aesthetic.
Nobody cares what people thought a hundred years ago. I'm sure they'd burn you as a witch if you showed them a cell phone. Big deal.
The United States, its core political philosophy, its legal and economic systems were all founded on what certain people thought well over 200 years ago. The Revolutionary War and the Civil War are perhaps the two most defining periods in U.S. history. Almost anything else pales in comparison.
But of course I know you're joking.
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Yes, but--like Boston in the 1600s--it was hardly a city.
The urban fabric of the major cores of the East is mostly from the mid-to-late-19th century. The urban cores of the West are mostly from the early 20th.
Yes, there are small historic districts in the East coast cores that date to earlier, but on a whole, walk around in an East Coast city and you're looking at 1850 onward. On the west coast, it's 1900 onward. 50 years.
Now, despite being such a short amount of time, it's a HUGELY significant time-period (i.e. the second industrial revolution) so that by the time West Coast cities came around there was electricity for powering the red cars in LA, the cable cars in SF, etc.
The cores of Seattle, Portland, SF, Oakland, LA and SD all have a street-car character to them, while East coast cores are mostly horse-carriage based. The subways really were more similar to the west-coast streetcars at that time, bringing in well-to-do people from first-ring suburbs. The average tenement worker in NYC in 1900 didn't take the subway to work.
All of this history lesson aside... the vast majority of people in america (be it in the west, east, north, south) don't live in a core or a first-ring suburb, they live in postwar auto-oriented suburbia. Hence, my earlier point about how I'd rather live in postwar suburbia in the west than in the east.
But my first choice is to live where I do live - in the streetcar suburbs of a west coast city, where the lots and streets were drawn up at the turn of the 20th century, and where I can walk to local stores and yet still be surrounded by gardens, sunshine, and diverse architectural forms and styles.
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