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Old 03-25-2011, 02:04 AM
 
Location: New York, New York USA
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I swear you are jealous of D.C.! Tyson's Corner had 92,603 jobs back in 2005. It's projected to have 143,000 jobs by 2030. If you haven't been keeping up, Tyson's Corner is going through the greatest redevelopment second only to Dubai world wide and if you read you would know it's not coming from me saying that.

Job Info for every job cluster in the D.C. MSA
http://www.mwcog.org/uploads/pub-doc...0828145020.pdf
Do you happen to be on the payroll of the Greater Washington Initiative group by any chance?
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Old 03-25-2011, 02:05 AM
 
Location: Athens, GA (via Pittsburgh, PA)
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I hate that place. And I dont think Ive ever been so critical about anywhere on C-D before but I can't stand that place and never want to go back. Ever.

Ever.

Ever.

EVER.
If there is one city in the world that has absolutely zero justification for its existence, it's Dubai. There's nothing real about it, not even the money that was used to build it. And the Burj Khalifa is nothing but a modern-day Tower of Babel. At least in the United States, the largest useless building built in the last 10 years is probably just some highrise condo somewhere in Florida. As far as I'm concerned, Taipei 101 remains the world's tallest building, because Dubai doesn't exist. May it rot in the Hell that is the backward-ass Middle East.
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Old 03-25-2011, 02:14 AM
 
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I swear you are jealous of D.C.! Tyson's Corner had 92,603 jobs back in 2005. It's projected to have 143,000 jobs by 2030. If you haven't been keeping up, Tyson's Corner is going through the greatest redevelopment second only to Dubai world wide and if you read you would know it's not coming from me saying that.

Job Info for every job cluster in the D.C. MSA
http://www.mwcog.org/uploads/pub-doc...0828145020.pdf
I love DC and all but your starting to sound like the Atlanta forumers.... let's not let that happen to DC =)
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Old 03-25-2011, 02:25 AM
 
Location: NY/FL
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DC/Balt in 2010: 7,572,647
DC/Balt now: 8,716,701

+ 1,144,054

DC/Baltimore in 2009: 8,440,617

I suspect DC's growth to slow down by 50-60% for the next 10 years but it will be awfully close to Chicago in 2020. BTW DC's big GDP jump makes sense with a pop of 8.7 million more than it did for 8.4 million as 2009 estimates had it for. Yes DC boosters government cuts are imminent, meaning can happen at any time- IMO will happen sooner than later. I want DMV to grow but on respectable merits not the federal tax dollars sucking big states dry..
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Default typo

Think there's a typo there with DC's MSA:

Washington DC MSA:

5,782,710 (Officially Completed -- correct)

rather than

5,578,470 -- incorrect as listed below

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By City:


By MSA:
- New York: 18,839,740
- Los Angeles MSA: 12,828,837
- Chicago MSA: 9,461,105
- Dallas/Fort Worth MSA: 6,371,863
- Philadelphia MSA: 5,965,343
- Houston MSA: 5,946,300
- Washington DC MSA: 5,578,470
- Miami/Fort Lauderdale MSA: 5,564,635
- Atlanta MSA: 5,290,078
- Boston MSA: 4,552,402
- San Francisco/Oakland MSA: 4,335,391
- Detroit MSA: 4,296,250
- Riverside/San Bernardino MSA: 4,224,851
- Phoenix MSA: 4,192,887
- Seattle MSA: 3,439,809
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 3,279,833
- San Diego MSA: 3,095,313
- Tampa MSA: 2,783,243
- Saint Louis MSA: 2,779,939
- Baltimore MSA: 2,710,489
- Denver MSA: 2,543,482
- Pittsburgh MSA: 2,356,285
- Portland MSA: 2,226,009
- Sacramento MSA: 2,149,127
- San Antonio MSA: 2,142,508
- Orlando MSA: 2,134,411
- Cincinnati MSA: 2,130,151
- Cleveland MSA: 2,077,240
- Kansas City MSA: 2,035,334
- Las Vegas MSA: 1,951,269
- San Jose MSA: 1,839,911
- Columbus MSA: 1,836,536
- Indianapolis MSA: 1,756,241
- Austin MSA: 1,716,289
- Virginia Beach/Norfolk MSA: 1,671,683
- Nashville MSA: 1,589,934
- Milwaukee MSA: 1,555,908
- Charlotte MSA: 1,531,965
- Jacksonville MSA: 1,345,596
- Memphis MSA: 1,316,100
- Louisville MSA: 1,283,566
- Oklahoma City MSA: 1,252,987
- New Orleans MSA: 1,167,764
- Buffalo MSA: 1,135,509
- Raleigh MSA: 1,130,490
- Birmingham MSA: 1,128,046
- Salt Lake City MSA: 1,124,197
- Rochester MSA: 1,054,323
- Tucson MSA: 980,263
- Honolulu MSA: 953,207
- Tulsa MSA: 937,478
- Fresno MSA: 930,450
- Albuquerque MSA: 887,077
- Omaha MSA: 864,350
- El Paso MSA: 800,647
- Atlantic City MSA: 274,549

By CSA:
- New York CSA: 22,085,649
- Los Angeles CSA: 17,877,506
- Chicago CSA: 9,686,021
- Washington DC/Baltimore CSA: 8,796,906
- Boston CSA: 7,559,060
- Bay Area CSA: 7,468,390
- Dallas/Fort Worth CSA: 6,610,530
- Philadelphia CSA: 6,533,683
- Houston CSA: 6,051,363
- Atlanta CSA: 5,639,649
- Detroit CSA: 5,218,852
- Seattle CSA: 4,199,312
- Minneapolis/Saint Paul CSA: 3,577,451
- Denver CSA: 3,090,874
- Cleveland CSA: 2,881,937
- Saint Louis CSA: 2,845,298
- Orlando CSA: 2,818,120
- Sacramento CSA: 2,461,780
- Pittsburgh CSA: 2,447,393
- Charlotte CSA: 2,402,626
- Cincinnati CSA: 2,172,191
- Kansas City CSA: 2,105,217
- Indianapolis CSA: 2,080,782
- Columbus CSA: 2,071,052
- Las Vegas CSA: 1,995,215
- Austin CSA: 1,759,039
- Milwaukee CSA: 1,751,316
- Raleigh/Durham CSA: 1,749,525
- Salt Lake City CSA: 1,744,886
- Nashville CSA: 1,670,890
- Louisville CSA: 1,427,483
- Oklahoma City CSA: 1,322,429
- Buffalo CSA: 1,215,826
- New Orleans CSA: 1,214,932
- Birmingham CSA: 1,208,452
-Rochester CSA:1,149,653
- Fresno CSA: 1,081,315
- Tulsa CSA: 988,454
- Omaha CSA: 901,041

Here is the final list. I didn't get to formally update Buffalo, Rochester, & New York. But oh well, have a great day everyone. They'll ban this in a few hours but hopefully its done in the way where my posts stayed up displayed, hopefully though.

Whatever I'm out, pretty much the thread is completed now and my job here is done.
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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You will notice from my past posts that even though I live in DC, I'm not a booster. I prefer the quiet, steady and controlled growth through density and transit-oriented development that DC has had over the years. We flew under the radar and I was fine with that.

I cannot stand hyperbole and hype, especially when it flies in the face of reality. That's why I have such an issue with certain boosters of certain cities on C-D who lie and twist facts.

That being said, I want all of America's economy to grow, not just DC's. Government spending should NOT be cut unnecessarily, but excess pork/fat should be. I really hope cities like Detroit turn around, because the infrastructure for a great city is there -- the road network, the electrical/gas/water lines, etc. It's a perfect example of how cities should be laid out.

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DC/Balt in 2010: 7,572,647
DC/Balt now: 8,716,701

+ 1,144,054

DC/Baltimore in 2009: 8,440,617

I suspect DC's growth to slow down by 50-60% for the next 10 years but it will be awfully close to Chicago in 2020. BTW DC's big GDP jump makes sense with a pop of 8.7 million more than it did for 8.4 million as 2009 estimates had it for. Yes DC boosters government cuts are imminent, meaning can happen at any time- IMO will happen sooner than later. I want DMV to grow but on respectable merits not the federal tax dollars sucking big states dry..
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Old 03-25-2011, 02:34 PM
 
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I love DC and all but your starting to sound like the Atlanta forumers.... let's not let that happen to DC =)
The funniest thing to me is when people post information without facts which is what I was responding to. Don't take it out of context. He said Tyson's Corner had 40,000 jobs. I posted what they really had with proof. Simple as that. I don't post opinion's on here like 99% of the posters on City Data. I post facts. If my facts are proven wrong, I adopt the new information and go from there. If I'm posting a projection, it's just that a projection. Nobody said it's not going to change.


The definition of a projection:

Projection = a prediction made by extrapolating from past observations

If people don't like them, they can always write, email, or call the agency or department that released them.
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:03 PM
 
Location: The City
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Originally Posted by MDAllstar View Post
I swear you are jealous of D.C.! Tyson's Corner had 92,603 jobs back in 2005. It's projected to have 143,000 jobs by 2030. If you haven't been keeping up, Tyson's Corner is going through the greatest redevelopment second only to Dubai world wide and if you read you would know it's not coming from me saying that.

Job Info for every job cluster in the D.C. MSA
http://www.mwcog.org/uploads/pub-doc...0828145020.pdf

Well I havent been through Tysons in a few years (maybe 08) but then which is correct - adding 100K jobs which would mean assuming not one job was added since since 2005 then it would need to be at 192K jobs and not a "projected" 143K jobs in 2030. I have seen your posted "plans" for Tysons and they would be a vast improvemnt, relative to many other DC job centers Tysons lacks a ton of character.

100K jobs is a ton; seems overly optimistic especially since the govt is bigger than ever before, cant continue to grow at that rate. Ok yes most of the jobs are not Govt in Tyosns but most do directly contract and support the govt. SAIC, Titan, Think there is one of the Big consulting (ex accounting firms) that from what I understand does process and IT QC for other defense contractors mostly out of the that office, there is or was some geographic mapping group that did defence contracting (maybe was a General Dynamics company) whatever else, USA Today is not so that is one non-contractor (and am sure there are others) and it sounds like some life sciences stuff is coming. But truly 100K jobs seems awfully ambitious, especially in little Tysons (small footprint). I need to read your link, my adobe keeps crashing when I try to execute it but is jobs directly in Tysons are does it include the periphery like Mclean etc. I mean where are the jobs coming from, they dont just puff pop out of thin air; and this build it and they will come strategy, well not so sure on that either. Most of the job growth in DC has been on consolidation of government agencies to DC (much of which is defence) and luring these contractors all while the Govt keeps expanding and funding things beyond our tax bases.

I have nothing against DC, lived there for a while and like it. My parents lived in Restin, my father worked in Tysons for years.

But as someone else said there is a truth that often times isnt in a projection or even piece of PR - honestly if DC keeps growing at this rate we are all gonna so broke and in public debt its rediculous. the Govt is way to large and the growth of DC has been a direct result of that.

but i am also confused on where you said they are adding 100K jobs then you post this which by my math would less than 50K in the next 20 years.
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:17 PM
 
Location: The City
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Originally Posted by MDAllstar View Post
The funniest thing to me is when people post information without facts which is what I was responding to. Don't take it out of context. He said Tyson's Corner had 40,000 jobs. I posted what they really had with proof. Simple as that. I don't post opinion's on here like 99% of the posters on City Data. I post facts. If my facts are proven wrong, I adopt the new information and go from there. If I'm posting a projection, it's just that a projection. Nobody said it's not going to change.


The definition of a projection:

Projection = a prediction made by extrapolating from past observations

If people don't like them, they can always write, email, or call the agency or department that released them.

And BTW - Projection is not a fact it is more of an opinion, sometimes informed sometimes not - extrapolating the past can be very dangerous.

And Yes I agree i posted the number of 40K, a guess based on time in the area and the amount of building etc. but was more of the semantics, even at 90 your 100k means doubling which i personally find to be suspiciously optimistic.

Job estimates from an agency tasked with generating growth are also further suspect - they have a vested interest to make it look better than it is. Tysons is and has been and will be a huge job center but some of things posted just frankly dont pass under the reality meter.

and Tysons and Dubai?

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Old 03-26-2011, 12:31 AM
 
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And BTW - Projection is not a fact it is more of an opinion, sometimes informed sometimes not - extrapolating the past can be very dangerous.

And Yes I agree i posted the number of 40K, a guess based on time in the area and the amount of building etc. but was more of the semantics, even at 90 your 100k means doubling which i personally find to be suspiciously optimistic.

Job estimates from an agency tasked with generating growth are also further suspect - they have a vested interest to make it look better than it is. Tysons is and has been and will be a huge job center but some of things posted just frankly dont pass under the reality meter.

and Tysons and Dubai?
Didn't come from me. Developers are the ones who said Tyson's was about to go through a boom similar to Dubai. The timeline for jobs and population is by 2040-2050. They say Tyson's will add 100,000 people by then to the 3.8 sq mile foot print. The development is phased over that amount of time. Will it happen? I don't know..but it's something to talk about. I didn't write about it or plan it. I only read about it.
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