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By City:
- Los Angeles: 3,792,621
- Chicago: 2,695,598
- Houston: 2,099,451
- Philadelphia: 1,526,006
- Phoenix: 1,445,632
- San Antonio: 1,327,407
- San Diego: 1,307,402
- Dallas: 1,197,816
- San Jose: 945,942
- Indianapolis: 829,718
- San Francisco: 805,235
- Austin: 790,390
- Columbus: 787,033
- Fort Worth: 741,206
- Charlotte: 731,424
- El Paso: 649,121
- Seattle: 630,320
- Baltimore: 620,961
- Washington DC: 601,723
- Denver: 600,158
- Portland: 583,776
- Las Vegas: 583,756
- Oklahoma City: 579,999
- Milwaukee: 594,833
- Tucson: 520,116
- Sacramento: 466,488
- Kansas City: 459,787
- Colorado Springs: 416,427
- Omaha: 408,958
- Raleigh: 403,892
- Cleveland: 396,815
- Tulsa: 391,906
- Oakland: 390,724
- New Orleans: 343,829
- Honolulu: 337,256
- Saint Louis: 319,294
- Pittsburgh: 305,704
- Cincinnati: 296,943
- Salt Lake City: 186,440
By MSA:
- Los Angeles MSA: 12,828,837 (Officially Completed)
- Chicago MSA: 9,461,105 (Officially Completed)
- Dallas/Fort Worth MSA: 6,371,863 (Officially Completed)
- Philadelphia MSA: 5,965,343 (Officially Completed)
- Houston MSA: 5,946,300 (Officially Completed)
- Washington DC MSA: 5,524,972 (Uncompleted until WV release)
- San Francisco/Oakland MSA: 4,335,391 (Officially Completed)
- Phoenix MSA: 4,192,887 (Officially Completed)
- Seattle MSA: 3,439,809 (Officially Completed)
- San Diego MSA: 3,095,313 (Officially Completed)
- Saint Louis MSA: 2,779,939 (Officially Completed)
- Baltimore MSA: 2,710,489 (Officially Completed)
- Denver MSA: 2,543,482 (Officially Completed)
- Pittsburgh MSA: 2,356,285 (Officially Completed)
- Portland MSA: 2,226,009 (Officially Completed)
- Sacramento MSA: 2,149,127 (Officially Completed)
- San Antonio MSA: 2,142,508 (Officially Completed)
- Cleveland MSA: 2,077,240 (Officially Completed)
- Kansas City MSA: 2,035,334 (Officially Completed)
- Las Vegas MSA: 1,951,269 (Officially Completed)
- San Jose MSA: 1,839,911 (Officially Completed)
- Columbus MSA: 1,836,536 (Officially Completed)
- Indianapolis MSA: 1,756,241 (Officially Completed)
- Austin MSA: 1,716,289 (Officially Completed)
- Cincinnati MSA: 1,704,668 (Uncompleted until KY release)
- Milwaukee MSA: 1,555,908 (Officially Completed)
- Charlotte MSA: 1,531,965 (Uncompleted until SC release)
- Oklahoma City MSA: 1,252,987 (Officially Completed)
- New Orleans MSA: 1,167,764 (Officially Completed)
- Raleigh MSA: 1,130,490 (Officially Completed)
- Salt Lake City MSA: 1,124,197 (Officially Completed)
- Tucson MSA: 980,263 (Officially Completed)
- Honolulu MSA: 953,207 (Officially Completed)
- Tulsa MSA: 937,478 (Officially Completed)
- Omaha MSA: 864,350 (Officially Completed)
- El Paso MSA: 800,647 (Officially Completed)
By CSA:
- Los Angeles CSA: 17,877,506 (Officially Completed)
- Chicago CSA: 9,686,021 (Officially Completed)
- New York CSA: 8,864,330 (Uncompleted until NY (State) release)
- Washington DC/Baltimore CSA: 8,639,239 (Uncompleted until WV release)
- Bay Area CSA: 7,468,390 (Officially Completed)
- Dallas/Fort Worth CSA: 6,610,530 (Officially Completed)
- Philadelphia CSA: 6,533,683 (Officially Completed)
- Houston CSA: 6,051,363 (Officially Completed)
- Seattle CSA: 4,199,312 (Officially Completed)
- Denver CSA: 3,090,874 (Officially Completed)
- Cleveland CSA: 2,881,937 (Officially Completed)
- Saint Louis CSA: 2,845,298 (Officially Completed)
- Sacramento CSA: 2,461,780 (Officially Completed)
- Pittsburgh CSA: 2,447,393 (Officially Completed)
- Charlotte CSA: 2,258,314 (Uncompleted until SC release)
- Kansas City CSA: 2,105,217 (Officially Completed)
- Indianapolis CSA: 2,080,782 (Officially Completed)
- Columbus CSA: 2,071,052 (Officially Completed)
- Las Vegas CSA: 1,995,215 (Officially Completed)
- Austin CSA: 1,759,039 (Officially Completed)
- Milwaukee CSA: 1,751,316 (Officially Completed)
- Raleigh/Durham CSA: 1,749,525 (Officially Completed)
- Salt Lake City CSA: 1,744,886 (Officially Completed)
- Cincinnati CSA: 1,746,708 (Uncompleted until KY release)
- Oklahoma City CSA: 1,322,429 (Officially Completed)
- New Orleans CSA: 1,214,932 (Officially Completed)
- Tulsa CSA: 988,454 (Officially Completed)
- Omaha CSA: 901,041 (Officially Completed)
Also for what it's worth, here is New York's Combined Statistical Area (CSA) so far without New York (State) in the mix:
New York CSA (Without NY (State)):
- Bergen County, NJ: 905,116
- Hudson County, NJ: 634,266
- Passaic County, NJ: 501,226
- Middlesex County, NJ: 809,858
- Monmouth County, NJ: 630,380
- Ocean County, NJ: 576,567
- Somerset County, NJ: 323,444
- Essex County, NJ: 783,969
- Union County, NJ: 536,499
- Morris County, NJ: 492,2764
- Sussex County, NJ: 149,265
- Hunterdon County, NJ: 128,349
- Mercer County, NJ: 366,513
- Pike County, PA: 57,369
- Litchfield County, CT: 189,927
- Fairfield County, CT: 916,829
- New Haven County, CT: 862,477 Total:8,864,330
Since some MSA's are not part of a CSA, wouldn't it be better to use the Primary Census Area designations instead of counting both MSA's and CSA's? Or, if it's not too much trouble, how about adding the non-CSA MSA's into the CSA rankings but in a contrasting color?
For instance, Miami doesn't have a CSA. It only has a 3 county MSA. It's misleading to keep it and other metros invisible when the highest levels of population are being compared. Table of United States primary census statistical areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BTW, you have Cincinnati and SLC CSAs backward. Of course, Cincinnati will increase when KY is released anyway.
[quote=DANNYY;18222908]Haha. AmberAzeneth: I cant speak for any other cities besides Austin, Chicago, Houston, & Washington DC and what I can say is that Washington DC's count is the CLOSEST any city in America probably is to accuracy. It's so close that apparently the MSA & CSA both gained a whopping 100,000 (MSA) & 260,000 (CSA) from projections and estimates in their final count. That's our tax dollars at work employing Census workers and screwing over our cities and making Washington DC look like a shining beacon in the sky.
Austin did fine, it came in where it should have. Houston & Chicago are (by my guesstimate) both larger than what the US Census claims. Here's Houston's story in pieces (See below).
I read that article too, DANNY. I just wanted some clarity from you. Thank you. So if and when Houston receives/gets the entire 155,000 people added to the count the numbers will look like this: Houston-2,254,451, MSA-6,101,300, CSA-6,206,363. That would be the numbers if the city receives the full amount of 155,000 from the challenge.
I'm sorry, i know this has probably been answered, but Houston is so sure that they were undercounted, but Dallas's numbers weren't as high as estimated. Matter fact, the census is about where Dallas was in 2003 or 2004. So why isn't Dallas challenging the census?
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I'm sorry, i know this has probably been answered, but Houston is so sure that they were undercounted, but Dallas's numbers weren't as high as estimated. Matter fact, the census is about where Dallas was in 2003 or 2004. So why isn't Dallas challenging the census?
Because they don't have the proper reason to do it.
If Dallas "can" challenge the US Census Bureau off simply the reason being "we are sure our city is larger than your reports" then 74% of the other cities released with lower populations then estimates, so far can make the same conclusions and challenge the US Census and in the grand scheme of things it just doesn't work that way at all. And at that point its just best for the US Census Bureau to shut down and rebuild from scratch.
Houston has a reason to challenge them, they were supposed to gain 2 representative seats with the redistricting by meeting the 2.1 Million threshold, in which Houston fell 549 people short of doing so. And that is Houston's basis and reason for challenging the US Census Bureau because there's a mass of population that wont be represented properly in any level of government.
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Originally Posted by rnc2mbfl
Since some MSA's are not part of a CSA, wouldn't it be better to use the Primary Census Area designations instead of counting both MSA's and CSA's? Or, if it's not too much trouble, how about adding the non-CSA MSA's into the CSA rankings but in a contrasting color?
For instance, Miami doesn't have a CSA. It only has a 3 county MSA. It's misleading to keep it and other metros invisible when the highest levels of population are being compared. Table of United States primary census statistical areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BTW, you have Cincinnati and SLC CSAs backward. Of course, Cincinnati will increase when KY is released anyway.
The thing with this is, it takes the metros that don't have CSA's and it puts their MSA numbers with the CSA numbers for the places that have both MSA & CSA.
It would be the "easy" way to compile and update my list but most probably not the best way. Some MSA to CSA have a world of contrasting difference, like Boston for example it doubles going from MSA to CSA almost. Same with Bay Area, and Los Angeles gains 5 Million people. For me its best to just keep updating both lists, because some places "may" eventually show a decline in population at MSA but not CSA, its just easier for us all to have all City, MSA, & CSA compiled in one place.
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Originally Posted by AmberAzeneth
I read that article too, DANNY. I just wanted some clarity from you. Thank you. So if and when Houston receives/gets the entire 155,000 people added to the count the numbers will look like this: Houston-2,254,451, MSA-6,101,300, CSA-6,206,363. That would be the numbers if the city receives the full amount of 155,000 from the challenge.
I personally don't think Houston will be getting the full 155,000 back, but what I do think is that it'll get back 30,000-80,000 people at least from it all. But only time will tell, my guess is as good as anyones at this point.
But one thing for sure though, the city has the information compiled to present, it has declared already that it will go along with the challenge, and its hired contractors to do even more further estimates tom assure what the city's population really is at. So everything is a positive go so far. But yeah only time will tell, we'll find out this summer around July or August or such on the results.
But hey, even if the gains won are just a small drop in the bucket compared to the undercount amount, its still that much more that the city gained that other cities wont be seeing. 10,000 or 20,000, or 50,000 or 100,000 or 155,000, wont matter, a gain is still a gain.
Back in 2004, a friend and I took a trip out to California that included some time spent in Nevada and Arizona as well. We stayed a night in Phoenix, and my friend, odd collector and pack rat that he is, decided to buy an Arizona Republic for his city newspaper collection. The headline that day read, "Get Along, Little Philly," boasting about how census estimates put Phoenix's population ahead of Philadelphia's. The drawing on the front page, if I remember correctly, was a cowboy standing over Benjamin Franklin's head, leaning over him and pushing his hat down over his eyes. The tone of the article was very boastful, basically talking about how Phoenix must have a superior quality of life to Philadelphia simply because its taxes are lower and it gets a lot of sunshine. (Never mind that it's always sunny in Philadelphia.) Anyway, I wonder if the Arizona Republic would like to take that article back now if it could?
Back in 2004, a friend and I took a trip out to California that included some time spent in Nevada and Arizona as well. We stayed a night in Phoenix, and my friend, odd collector and pack rat that he is, decided to buy an Arizona Republic for his city newspaper collection. The headline that day read, "Get Along, Little Philly," boasting about how census estimates put Phoenix's population ahead of Philadelphia's. The drawing on the front page, if I remember correctly, was a cowboy standing over Benjamin Franklin's head, leaning over him and pushing his hat down over his eyes. The tone of the article was very boastful, basically talking about how Phoenix must have a superior quality of life to Philadelphia simply because its taxes are lower and it gets a lot of sunshine. (Never mind that it's always sunny in Philadelphia.) Anyway, I wonder if the Arizona Republic would like to take that article back now if it could?
Well maybe this is a little better tact
Surprise: Philly still the 5th largest city | Philadelphia Inquirer | 03/10/2011 (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/117761248.html - broken link)
Surprise: Philly still the 5th largest city | Philadelphia Inquirer | 03/10/2011 (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/117761248.html - broken link)
The comment section sure as hell isn't. Looks like some people there can't accept the fact that Philadelphia ain't shrinking anymore. It's funny how they haven't touched on the rapid increase in the city's Asian population, probably because that wouldn't fit their worldview in which Philadelphia only grew because it added welfare recipients, illegal immigrants, gang-bangers and baby-momma-kids.
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