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View Poll Results: Which one is the most important?
Bay Area 283 58.96%
Boston 86 17.92%
Philadelphia 92 19.17%
Confused 19 3.96%
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Old 04-21-2016, 06:35 PM
 
Location: So California
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I think the Bay Area is graduating to the Chicago/DC tier for important cities, so wins hee. Toronto may also be joining this select Group in the near future.


Nothing Against Boston and Philadelphia as they are excellent cities, but they may have to accept two Texas cities into their tier of importance.

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NY / LA

Chi/SF

DC

Phi/Bos
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Old 04-21-2016, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Cataumet, MA/Gastonia, NC
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Size: Bay Area
- Economic Output (GDP): Bay Area
- Total Personal Income: Bay Area, BUT has an outragious COL
- History: Boston/Philly tie
- Location: Philly
- Niche Industries: Bay Area
- Economy (diversity & variance): Boston
-COL: Philly
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Old 04-21-2016, 06:59 PM
 
Location: East Passyunk
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The problem about "fun" is it's totally subjective and the impact is local. Citing bar closing times vs other cities seems a little strange to use as evidence of economic importance, doesn't it?

It also doesn't consider other things which people consider "fun", like museums, orchestras, theaters, etc. The Boston Marathon, and I'm sure that generates a massive economic impact on Boston, but I wouldn't ever say Boston's more economically important due in part to the Boston Marathon.
It wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list. And where I think one city outdoes another one more clearly in "fun" is in tourism, which also includes restaurants, museums, theaters, sites, etc. I'm not trying to make an argument that fun is the most important or that it's not subjective to an extent; I'm simply saying "fun" is a driving factor in a lot of important city attributes and amenities.

For example, I think one could determine which city people would choose to visit between Albany, NY and Miami, FL for fun. Or Greensboro, NC and New Orleans. Or Roanoke, VA and San Francisco. Those amenities drive tourism, but also make them attractive places to live. They don't make them the most important cities, but they certainly raise their profiles, economies (to an extent) and desirability.
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Old 04-22-2016, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Boston
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The problem about "fun" is it's totally subjective and the impact is local. Citing bar closing times vs other cities seems a little strange to use as evidence of economic importance, doesn't it?

It also doesn't consider other things which people consider "fun", like museums, orchestras, theaters, etc. The Boston Marathon, and I'm sure that generates a massive economic impact on Boston, but I wouldn't ever say Boston's more economically important due in part to the Boston Marathon.
I agree almost entirely. I do think the economic impact is mostly local (with some notable exceptions), but I don't know that "fun" (I translate that to entertainment/tourism) is entirely subjective. I mean obviously different strokes/ different folks. However, there are things that are generally considered fun/entertaining/attractive to tourists even if a handful of individuals may feel differently. San Francisco is considered a naturally beautiful city and the setting is part of what draws tourists who pump billions into the local economy. There are plenty of people who may not care to visit a place like SF, so in that sense it's subjective, but it is a popular tourist destination. That's not subjective, that's a fact. Same could be said for any place with certain "things" that draw tourists. Who it appeals to may be subjective, but whether or not it has broad appeal is not. Nightlife is a stupid one to get fixated on because outside of a few outliers (i.e. NYC, LA, Miami, Vegas), nightlife in major cities is mostly comparable speaking in terms of the big picture even if there are niche strengths and weaknesses.

You're right about bar closing times as evidence of economic importance being completely ridiculous, but that's not to say there's never any relation. Certainly not a deciding factor or primary indicator, but late closing times is often associated with nightlife which in many places is a large component of the economy. Especially when you consider related industries like hospitality, dining, private transit, etc.


Your last point about what "other people consider 'fun' is kicker. Each of these cities are different (in spite of their similarities). Each of them has different appeal for different folks. One posted may feel that SF's nightlife is better than Boston's but another may not care because they feel that the professional sports scene in Boston is better. The Entertainment economy is important to all of these cities. But thankfully the local economies are diversified enough that that's not the only factor.

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Nothing Against Boston and Philadelphia as they are excellent cities, but they may have to accept two Texas cities into their tier of importance.
Right. It's our curse and it weighs heavily on the minds of Bostonians (and I assume Philadelphians) every day. Sometimes I don't know how I get out of bed.
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Old 04-22-2016, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Denver
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I agree almost entirely. I do think the economic impact is mostly local (with some notable exceptions), but I don't know that "fun" (I translate that to entertainment/tourism) is entirely subjective. I mean obviously different strokes/ different folks. However, there are things that are generally considered fun/entertaining/attractive to tourists even if a handful of individuals may feel differently. San Francisco is considered a naturally beautiful city and the setting is part of what draws tourists who pump billions into the local economy. There are plenty of people who may not care to visit a place like SF, so in that sense it's subjective, but it is a popular tourist destination. That's not subjective, that's a fact. Same could be said for any place with certain "things" that draw tourists. Who it appeals to may be subjective, but whether or not it has broad appeal is not. Nightlife is a stupid one to get fixated on because outside of a few outliers (i.e. NYC, LA, Miami, Vegas), nightlife in major cities is mostly comparable speaking in terms of the big picture even if there are niche strengths and weaknesses.

You're right about bar closing times as evidence of economic importance being completely ridiculous, but that's not to say there's never any relation. Certainly not a deciding factor or primary indicator, but late closing times is often associated with nightlife which in many places is a large component of the economy. Especially when you consider related industries like hospitality, dining, private transit, etc.


Your last point about what "other people consider 'fun' is kicker. Each of these cities are different (in spite of their similarities). Each of them has different appeal for different folks. One posted may feel that SF's nightlife is better than Boston's but another may not care because they feel that the professional sports scene in Boston is better. The Entertainment economy is important to all of these cities. But thankfully the local economies are diversified enough that that's not the only factor.
Very good points. I guess my main complaint about 'fun' as an economic factor is when it comes to comparing cities. There's something that rubs me the wrong way when comparing economic strength and saying "Boston is home to Biogen Idec, Fidelity, General Electric, State Street Bank, the most potent biotechnology cluster in the nation...and a sweet new Dave & Busters at the Braintree Plaza". That isn't to say fun stuff isn't economically important, but until it gets to the level of Las Vegas or Orlando or Miami, where 'fun' is your benchmark industry, I don't think it's all that important in a city vs city comparison.
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Old 04-22-2016, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Very good points. I guess my main complaint about 'fun' as an economic factor is when it comes to comparing cities. There's something that rubs me the wrong way when comparing economic strength and saying "Boston is home to Biogen Idec, Fidelity, General Electric, State Street Bank, the most potent biotechnology cluster in the nation...and a sweet new Dave & Busters at the Braintree Plaza". That isn't to say fun stuff isn't economically important, but until it gets to the level of Las Vegas or Orlando or Miami, where 'fun' is your benchmark industry, I don't think it's all that important in a city vs city comparison.
Haha, yeah, I agree.
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Old 06-07-2018, 11:06 PM
 
Location: So California
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I think the Bay Area is graduating to the Chicago/DC tier for important cities, so wins hee. Toronto may also be joining this select Group in the near future.


Nothing Against Boston and Philadelphia as they are excellent cities, but they may have to accept two Texas cities into their tier of importance.
Bay Area graduated to that level long long ago.
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Old 06-08-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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NY

LA

Chi/SF

DC

Bos



Phila/Dal/Houst
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Old 06-11-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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Bay Area graduated to that level long long ago.

This.



NY


LA


Chi / DC / SF



Toronto/Boston/Dallas/Houston
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Old 06-11-2018, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Chibostoncaliseattle
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On a per capita basis, here is a statistically backed take on the criteria:

- Economic Output (GDP): SF, Boston........Philly
- Total Personal Income: SF, Boston, Philly
- History: Boston/Philly....SF
- Location: Tie.
- Niche Industries: Boston, SF.... Philly
- Economy (diversity & variance): Boston, SF...Philly
- Finance: As in stability of the public sector? No clue. None?

I like the Bay Area a lot, though the city of SF continues to be downgraded in my book since I left. I hate to beat a dead horse, but the homeless population and the general urban decay in the heart of SF is pretty wild. Still, I prefer Boston and SF more than Philadelphia. Center City is cool, and has some nightlife and buzz, but Philly just isn't as pretty or as dynamic. It's as much Boston as it is Cleveland, though I do like the gritty yet gentrified feel in it's nucleus and surrounding hoods. Once we include economic impact, income levels, MSA, I think the delta grows a bit between SF, Boston, and then Philadelphia. The good news is that the COL reflects the local demand and performance, so consumption levels seem fairly high in Philadelphia and the suburbs. That is to say, COL vs. income is probably best in Philly. All things considered, I personally like living in Boston more than any other city yet including SF (Chicago is tough to beat, though).
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