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View Poll Results: Which one is the most important?
Bay Area 162 55.10%
Boston 54 18.37%
Philadelphia 65 22.11%
Confused 13 4.42%
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Long Beach
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You just had to take a jab. Philly's the largest most well connected of the trhree. The only thing that holds it back is that it has a much larger lower class to drag along.
This is my point about your arguments. You make the bold statement, and then don't back it up?

In the 21st century, I'm just as connected in rural Alberta Canada as I am Mid-town Manhattan, am I not? So to say such, is pretty bold. To present it as truth with out evidence is silly. Is it because NYC is to the north and DC to the south? If I recall, one can easily avoid connecting with Philly if so chosen while commuting between the two.

Is Philly larger bc it annexed it's own county a century ago? Well both inner Boston and San Fran share the same population density, so what's your point there? Inner Boston has about 2.0 million people. And San Fran south along the peninsula I would imagine is about the same.
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:03 PM
 
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You just had to take a jab. Philly's the largest most well connected of the trhree. The only thing that holds it back is that it has a much larger lower class to drag along.
I think it's important to start injecting some more objectivity on this thread. That being said, I'm curious as to why you'd consider Philly to be the most "well-connected," because that's one thing I'd disagree on.

There are a lot of things that Philly could go pound-for-pound with Boston and San Francisco on. Unfortunately, "connectedness" among the region (highly fragmented municipalities), the population (lots of economic/racial segregation) and among business & academic community (Stanford and Harvard/MIT generate far more entrepreneuralism for SF and Boston, respectively, than an institution such as Penn for Philadelphia) is still very much a work in progress. On "connectedness," I'd rank SF and Boston both ahead of Philly.

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Old 03-07-2011, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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I figured San Francisco would be ahead, but that more than I thought. Good stuff.
Glad ya like it!


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Old 03-07-2011, 05:33 PM
 
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For some reason Philly gets shorted on it's CSA definition, it gets about the same area as it does for it's MSA. With that said Philly given it's proper encapturement area is connected to a much larger population base than either Boston or Sanfran, and has the fourth largest GDP in the US, the ninth largest in the world, fourth largest media market, is on the verge of becoming part of the largest UA in the country, as Kidphilly showed has more port activity than Boston or SanFran, it's home to TV giant Comcast, and makes the majority of the nations drugs. The only thing that Philly is behind on is pound for pound wealth, it has a much higher proportion of poor people, but it's a much more productive region than it gets credit for, I would argue that it's more productive than either Boston or Sanfran, but an unfortunate side effect of all the drug production and other critical industrial tasks, is the higher than normal level of toxicity in the region.

Anyway, leave the CSA stats out of it, because everybody knows that Philly doesn't get a fair shake in that regard. If you wanna talk CSA's then you have to bring NYC into the discussion, and I know you don't want that.
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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For some reason Philly gets shorted on it's CSA definition.
That's what happens when your sandwiched in between New York and Washington. On the one hand you have close proximity to other massively important cities, but on the other hand, its hard to expand your territory because the other.

Boston and DC are a perfect distance away from New York imo.

Out west, San Francisco is all by itself for 600 miles from the ocean to the NV/UT border to the East, to Southern Oregon and down to the Monterey/San Luis Obispo county & Kern/Fresno/Kings County lines as far as its dominance(Major Trading Area). That's over 100,000 square miles with about 16 Million people and growing.

LA is 400 miles South and that's close enough because that gives both cities a lot of room to be the king of. LOL
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:04 PM
 
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Boston: The World's Most Innovative City
http://www.innovation-cities.com/innovation-cities-top-100-index-top-cities/

Okay, not exactly Boston-but Cantabrigians are used to the non-distinction by now.

"For nearly 400 years, Cambridge’s powerful blend of intellectual and entrepreneurial oomph has given the city an enviable self-renewing quality. Let’s look at the record. It starts with the book. Cambridge printed the first book in North America 370 years ago. About that time, it also became home to its first university, Harvard. The first computer (the Mark II) and the Internet (then called the Arpanet) came out of Cambridge. Thomas Watson placed the first two-way telephone call from his lab in Kendall Square, the wires stretching across the river to Alexander Graham Bell’s home on Beacon Hill. Some other Cambridge creations include the microwave oven, the sewing machine, instant photography, ship-to-ship radar, synthesis of penicillin and quinine, fractionation of blood, and deployment of vaccines. Many of Cambridge’s inventions today are so complex, the inventors win Nobel Prizes while most of us don’t even understand them."
http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2011/02/02/the-world%E2%80%99s-most-innovative-city/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Mark_II
Let's add Facebook to that list above as well. I mean if you saw the first 90 mins of the Social Network, you know it was Boston! Not San Francisco.

Boston has the fourth highest number of "high tech" jobs in the nation, only after NYC, DC, and Silicon Valley (225,300 jobs), with 191,700 jobs.
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2008/06/23/daily21.html?jst=b_ln_hl

Boston receives the most amount of money from NIH at 1.6 billion annually. This does not include neighboring Cambridge which receives 350 million. Boston alone receives twice what Philadelphia receives. Providing for countless jobs and research break throughs.
http://www.ssti.org/Digest/Tables/022006t.htm

Just for fun, we'll let people who rank cities for a living tell the tale:
Global city - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The 2008 roster of leading Alpha, Beta and Gamma world cities is reproduced below; see the source for the complete roster:




Alpha++ world cities: and: Global Cities 2010: The Rankings | Foreign Policy
SF at 12, Boston at 19 and a strange lack of showing for Philadelphia....hmm.

RankCity1New York City2London3Tokyo4Paris5Hong Kong6Chicago7Los Angeles8Singapore9Sydney10Seoul11Brussels12San Francisco13Washington, D.C.14Toronto15Beijing16Berlin17Madrid18Vienna19Boston20Frankfurt am Main20Shanghai22Buenos Aires23Stockholm24Zurich25Moscow26Barcelona27Dubai28Rome29Amsterdam30Mexico City

and: http://www.mori-m-foundation.or.jp/e...09_English.pdf
Boston is the only city we're discussing in this thread on that list.

Clearly Boston must be doing something right if it made it onto all these prestigious lists, not to mention it's the third largest financial center in the US. But again, Boston has been doing it for about 50 years longer before Philadelphia was but a twinkle in William Penn's eye.

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Old 03-07-2011, 07:30 PM
 
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Clearly Boston must be doing something right if it made it onto all these prestigious lists, not to mention it's the third largest financial center in the US. But again, Boston has been doing it for about 50 years longer before Philadelphia was but a twinkle in William Penn's eye.

Good grief - it took me two minutes to find a list where Philly is higher than the other two:

List of metropolitan areas in the United States by GMP From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rank Metro Area GMP 2008 (Millions):
7 Delaware Valley (Philadelphia) $331,897
8 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA MSA $310,825
9 Greater Boston $299,590

I'm sure I could spend another 10 minutes and find five more. I'm just getting bored with your arguments.
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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and has the fourth largest GDP in the US, the ninth largest in the world
Stop harping on this, it isn't true and you know it at this point. It had the 4th largest GDP back in 2005 and now it's 2011 and there are many cities (both MSA & CSA) with higher GDP's than Philadelphia now.

1. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1,379,570 Billion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $78,805
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,636
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $38,834
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,210,387
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,499
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $25,409

2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA $876.468 Billion
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA Metro Area $730,941
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metro Area $34,962
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area $110,565

3. Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $550.549 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $138,420
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $407,463
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,666

4. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $535.327 Billion
Napa, CA Metro Area $7,057
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area $335,563
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area $147,370
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA Metro Area $9,969
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA Metro Area $19,603
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA Metro Area $15,765

5. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA $515.119 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI Metro Area $508,712
Kankakee-Bradley, IL Metro Area $3,054
Michigan City-La Porte, IN Metro Area $3,353

6. Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA $411.505 Billion
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area $298,256
Concord, NH Micro Area
Manchester-Nashua, NH Metro Area $20,865
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA Metro Area $64,341
Worcester, MA Metro Area $28,043

7. Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX CSA $363.201 Billion
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX Metro Area $363.201

8. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA $359.835 Billion
Athens, TX Micro Area
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area $356,615
Sherman-Denison, TX Metro Area $3,220

9. Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $354.573 Billion
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area $335,112
Reading, PA Metro Area $14,588
Vineland-Millville-Bridgeton, NJ Metro Area $4,873

10. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL $270.856 Billion
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA Metro Area $264.700
Gainesville, GA Metro Area $6,156

11. Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL Metro Area $252.647 Billion

12. Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA CSA $251.636 Billion
Bremerton-Silverdale, WA Metro Area $8,809
Mount Vernon-Anacortes, WA Metro Area 5,219
Oak Harbor, WA Micro Area
Olympia, WA Metro Area $8,811
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA Metro Area $228,797

13. Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI CSA $217.394 Billion
Ann Arbor, MI Metro Area $17,583
Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI Metro Area $185,800
Flint, MI Metro Area $10.816
Monroe, MI Metro Area $3,495

14. Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud, MN-WI CSA $197.396 Billion
Minneapolis-St Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI Metro Area $189,801
St Cloud, MN Metro Area $7,595

15. Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ Metro Area $190.725 Billion

16. Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO CSA $177.511 Billion
Boulder, CO Metro Area $17,581
Denver-Aurora, CO Metro Area $152,868
Greeley, CO Metro Area $7,062

17. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA Metro Area $171.471 Billion

Source: http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regi..._metro0211.pdf
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:35 PM
 
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That list is a joke, you got cities like aukland and caracas above SanFran, Philly and Boston.

Atlanta in the sam tier as SanFran?
Dallas, and Kuwait City Same level as Boston?
Perth and Portland on the same level as Lagos and Philadelphia?

Gimme a break, that list means nothing, and as far as firsts and inventions, I'm not even gonna list Philly's because there are too many, and it'll take up too much space. Believe it or not there's more to the world than facebook.
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:38 PM
 
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Stop harping on this, it isn't true and you know it at this point. It had the 4th largest GDP back in 2005 and now it's 2011 and there are many cities (both MSA & CSA) with higher GDP's than Philadelphia now.

1. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1,379,570 Billion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $78,805
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,636
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $38,834
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,210,387
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,499
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $25,409

2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA $876.468 Billion
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA Metro Area $730,941
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metro Area $34,962
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area $110,565

3. Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $550.549 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $138,420
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $407,463
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,666

4. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $535.327 Billion
Napa, CA Metro Area $7,057
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area $335,563
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area $147,370
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA Metro Area $9,969
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA Metro Area $19,603
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA Metro Area $15,765

5. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA $515.119 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI Metro Area $508,712
Kankakee-Bradley, IL Metro Area $3,054
Michigan City-La Porte, IN Metro Area $3,353

6. Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA $411.505 Billion
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area $298,256
Concord, NH Micro Area
Manchester-Nashua, NH Metro Area $20,865
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA Metro Area $64,341
Worcester, MA Metro Area $28,043

7. Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX CSA $363.201 Billion
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX Metro Area $363.201

8. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA $359.835 Billion
Athens, TX Micro Area
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area $356,615
Sherman-Denison, TX Metro Area $3,220

9. Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $354.573 Billion
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area $335,112
Reading, PA Metro Area $14,588
Vineland-Millville-Bridgeton, NJ Metro Area $4,873

10. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL $270.856 Billion
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA Metro Area $264.700
Gainesville, GA Metro Area $6,156

11. Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL Metro Area $252.647 Billion

12. Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA CSA $251.636 Billion
Bremerton-Silverdale, WA Metro Area $8,809
Mount Vernon-Anacortes, WA Metro Area 5,219
Oak Harbor, WA Micro Area
Olympia, WA Metro Area $8,811
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA Metro Area $228,797

13. Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI CSA $217.394 Billion
Ann Arbor, MI Metro Area $17,583
Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI Metro Area $185,800
Flint, MI Metro Area $10.816
Monroe, MI Metro Area $3,495

14. Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud, MN-WI CSA $197.396 Billion
Minneapolis-St Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI Metro Area $189,801
St Cloud, MN Metro Area $7,595

15. Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ Metro Area $190.725 Billion

16. Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO CSA $177.511 Billion
Boulder, CO Metro Area $17,581
Denver-Aurora, CO Metro Area $152,868
Greeley, CO Metro Area $7,062

17. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA Metro Area $171.471 Billion

Source: http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regi..._metro0211.pdf
Can you list the MSA GDP's? Because we all know the CSA thing is not quite accurate for Philly.
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