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View Poll Results: Which one is the most important?
Bay Area 162 54.92%
Boston 54 18.31%
Philadelphia 66 22.37%
Confused 13 4.41%
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:07 PM
 
Location: The City
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I doubt we'll see much difference.

It will still be:
1 Bay Area
2 Boston
3 Philadelphia

If history is any precursor industries change with time and relative importance and reliance on areas do as well. SF looks a lot like Chicago and Philadelphia in 1950, leveling off on population growth, still large immigrant population, at the center of a key industry. Economies evolve as do other factors. SF wont implode by any means but has many parrallels to cities that hit hard times and had to reinvent themselves. With that said there are many facets of the Bay that are good but like all things time will tell and like many other places the Bay may have to reinvent itself in some capacity.
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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For what is posted with GDP facts, it should be understood by the actual poster first.
They always use this misleading, phony, bloated CMSA stat to try and feel better about themselves.

2010 MSA GDP

Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington- $347 B
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont- $325 B
Boston- Cambridge-Quincy $313 B


I get a chuckle when The BaY Area jackals likes to take credit for combined GDP encompassed areas that are 150 miles apart. While overlooking the fact that Philadelphia has an urban area 15 mile away that doesnt get included in its CMSA let alone MSA.

When you take the big picture into consideration SF and the Bay Area are not even in the same galaxy as Philadelphia and Boston.
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Glendale, CA
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They always use this misleading, phony, bloated CMSA stat to try and feel better about themselves.

2010 MSA GDP

Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington- $347 B
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont- $325 B
Boston- Cambridge-Quincy $313 B


I get a chuckle when The BaY Area jackals likes to take credit for combined GDP encompassed areas that are 150 miles apart. While overlooking the fact that Philadelphia has an urban area 15 mile away that doesnt get included in its CMSA let alone MSA.

When you take the big picture into consideration SF and the Bay Area are not even in the same galaxy as Philadelphia and Boston.
You base this assertion on what specific metrics? Keep in mind I am not a "Bay Area Jackal" at all...
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Arroyo Grande, California
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They always use this misleading, phony, bloated CMSA stat to try and feel better about themselves.

2010 MSA GDP

Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington- $347 B
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont- $325 B
Boston- Cambridge-Quincy $313 B


I get a chuckle when The BaY Area jackals likes to take credit for combined GDP encompassed areas that are 150 miles apart. While overlooking the fact that Philadelphia has an urban area 15 mile away that doesnt get included in its CMSA let alone MSA.

When you take the big picture into consideration SF and the Bay Area are not even in the same galaxy as Philadelphia and Boston.
Bay Area includes the south bay and its 48 miles between dtSJ and dtSF. Its continuous on both sides of the bay.
150 miles? hahaha you've never been there.....

Just google it next time!
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Old 11-01-2011, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Bay Area includes the south bay and its 48 miles between dtSJ and dtSF. Its continuous on both sides of the bay.
150 miles? hahaha you've never been there.....

Just google it next time!
N border of Santa Rosa to southern border of Santa Cruz is approximately 150 miles. Same CSMA, Bay Area.

Trenton NJ to NE Philadelphia 17 miles apart.

Not only not part of the same CMSA but laughingly not even part of the same MSA.
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Old 11-01-2011, 05:11 PM
 
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N border of Santa Rosa to southern border of Santa Cruz is approximately 150 miles. Same CSMA, Bay Area.

Trenton NJ to NE Philadelphia 17 miles apart.

Not only not part of the same CMSA but laughingly not even part of the same MSA.
well thats what happens when your close the the 2nd largest city in the Developed world
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Old 11-01-2011, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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well thats what happens when your close the the 2nd largest city in the Developed world
Though you can see the distorted reality when the SF puffers boast that the Bay Area GDP is 33% greater than Philadephia's.All things equal the 2 expanded regions are every close and as posted Philadelphias MSA is larger than SF-Oak-Fremont.
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Old 11-01-2011, 05:32 PM
 
Location: The City
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well thats what happens when your close the the 2nd largest city in the Developed world

Yeah the closest border of the city of NYC and city of Philly is only 46 miles. Either way Philly potentially loses over 100 Billion of GDP because of really complex commuter patterns and relatively small yet odd shaped counties in PA (they run E and W, if they ran N and S there would be more area captured in the MSA/CSA). Regardless the income and opportunities exists and funnels into the area economy regardless of MSA lines.

By DMA actually a more common business categorization, especially in terms of marketing (TV market, basically a proximity metric) has these aproximates

Philly ~450 Billion (Includes Mercer, A/B, and Atlantic outside of CSA)
Boston ~ 400 Billion
SF ~325 Billion (SJ in a seperate DMA)

Also on MSA alone the PA portion (4.2 million of the 6 million) of the MSA generates the vast majority of the GDP, it actually generates a per cap GDP of 67K per cap more in line with the the others and the corrider itself. The MSA portion in Jersey mostly includes population in rural S Jersey. Also Mercer is per cap of nearly 70K per, and Willmington DE is at 100K per. These two counties are really what is part of the NE corrider in this space. Numbers can be played with but the 2.5 million in Philadelphia and Montgomery County PA are on par with the per cap GDP of the SJ MSA, now this is a bit of cherry picking but there are some interesting ways to look at these data.

On the whole today I would say froma pure GDP standpoint the bay does exceed the other two though I am still personally convinced that MSA or CSA do Philly justice on what falls under the cities influence. The Hightstown and Bridgewater (NY Farther flung Office centers) wreak havo on commuter rates as they lie just accross these oddly shaped borders and drive commuter not truly city influence on the space.

Also based on 2010 commuter data Mercer will move from a CSA county to an MSA county with NYC. With a Mercer movement Burlington NJ (A Philly MSA county) will now far exceed the 15% CSA connection so for better or worse unless the commuter connections are chnaged the CSA is a mute point as the linkage and commuter rates exist today to make the NYC/Philly CSA connection. This which more to the point demonstrates flaws in the methodology as these tow cities while close still remain very independant at their main city poles...
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Old 11-01-2011, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Arroyo Grande, California
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Though you can see the distorted reality when the SF puffers boast that the Bay Area GDP is 50% greater than Philadephia's.

It is 50% greater, and 97% off that gdp is immediately adjacent to the bay and is contiguous, not Santa Rosa or Santa Cruz. Its also greater on a per capita basis. I dont get your point. Were talking about primary cities SF/Oak/SJ, thats the Bay Area.
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Old 11-01-2011, 05:47 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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Though you can see the distorted reality when the SF puffers boast that the Bay Area GDP is 33% greater than Philadephia's.All things equal the 2 expanded regions are every close and as posted Philadelphias MSA is larger than SF-Oak-Fremont.
Are you actually trying to debate that San Jose is not in the Bay Area? smh
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