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View Poll Results: Which one is the most important?
Bay Area 291 57.85%
Boston 93 18.49%
Philadelphia 98 19.48%
Confused 21 4.17%
Voters: 503. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-02-2011, 08:31 AM
 
Location: So California
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No, it's not settled at all. I believe SF is slightly more important than Boston or Philadelphia. However, all 3 are world class and someone can easily argue in the case for Boston or Philly as the most important. What was stated is simply MY OPINION, not everyone is going to agree with me.



You don't see arrogance? let me point out to you those post.

* Post #521
* Post # 523 clearly states "Its just not the same. In 2011, there is a clear leader among this group of 3 and its on the West Coast".
* And last look at post #530.
Again.....in the context of this thread and several others. They are reactions to other posters. Its all in context.
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:36 AM
 
Location: NY-NJ-Philly looks down at SF and laughs at the hippies
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Yep, yet Philly has counties 15 minutes away included in NY. SF has cities of over 1M ppl included that are 48 miles away.
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:38 AM
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Location: Oakland
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Yep, yet Philly has counties 15 minutes away included in NY. SF has cities of over 1M ppl included that are 48 miles away.
Distance has nothing to do with how metro areas are formed. It's about commuters from county to county.
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:43 AM
 
Location: NY-NJ-Philly looks down at SF and laughs at the hippies
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Distance has nothing to do with how metro areas are formed. It's about commuters from county to county.
That is how the CENSUS does things, which I don't care about.

In the real world, the ppl living near Philly who technically belong to the NYC population come into Philly on a regular basis for entertainment sports games, shopping, etc. Also, some work in Philly..... the census will not show it though and there is no record of them.

This has been discussed on this site nonstop since I first joined. I do not see why the same concepts keep being discussed over and over and over again.
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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the census will not show it though and there is no record of them.

This has been discussed on this site nonstop since I first joined. I do not see why the same concepts keep being discussed over and over and over again.
The imaginary Census boundary is gospel here dude.

Dont even waste your time.

Historically the Trenton area organically grew from the roots of Philadelphia but since local NJ politicians get a cost of living increase by being affiliated with NYC then the facts get overlooked.

Let the SF cronies keep thinking their area is 40% more robust than Philadlephia when you, I and a few select others know the real truth.

Trenton not being included in Phillys MSA is akin to Oakland not being part of SF MSA. Its the most absurd thing I have ever come across.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Distance has nothing to do with how metro areas are formed. It's about commuters from county to county.
They've already been corrected on this issue at least a dozen times in the past year alone.

Hell, I made this chart just in September to squash the often told lie that Philadelpha was 'robbed' of Mercer County:

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County of Employment for Residents of Mercer, NJ, 2000 Census
New York CSA Counties in Red/ Philadelphia CSA Counties in Blue

100+commuters
1 Mercer, NJ 112,449
2 Middlesex, NJ 16,597
3 New York City, NY 6,545 (added up the 5 boroughs)
4 Somerset, NJ 3,865
5 Bucks, PA 3,865
6 Burlington, NJ 3,765
7 Monmouth, NJ 2,483
8 Philadelphia, PA 1,548
9 Essex, NJ 1,490
10 Union, NJ 1,291
11 Hunterdon, NJ 1,194
12 Bergen, NJ 803
13 Hudson, NJ 775
14 Morris, NJ 751
15 Montgomery, PA 704
16 Ocean, NJ 667
17 Camden, NJ 588
18 Delaware, PA 244
19 Passaic, NJ 188
20 New Castle, DE 139
21 Gloucester, NJ 136


Tally of Destination Counties with more than 100+ workers:
Mercer Co. Residents who worked in New York in 2000: 36,649
Mercer Co. Residents who worked in Philadephia in 2000: 10,989
Mercer County belongs exactly where it is, part of the New York CSA.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:30 AM
 
Location: The City
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They've already been corrected on this issue at least a dozen times in the past year alone.

Hell, I made this chart just in September to squash the often told lie that Philadelpha was 'robbed' of Mercer County:



Mercer County belongs exactly where it is, part of the New York CSA.

Once again you miss the point. This has been established many many times. Also clearly the Middlesex number drives this commuter pattern and is purely a function of a line on the map in Hightstown, plus the Somerset/Hunterdon number is driven by Bridgewater, another line that is just accross the border. There are 6.5K (2%) out of 300+K residents that commute to NYC. The true influcence is not waht these rates suggest but purely where some people drive for their job 20 minutes away and not really what influences their life (just a huge job center easily commutable).

And as was the point this is more to the affiliation not the commuter rates which by all accounts are complex and would vary tremendously if the lines were cut by just a handful of miles.

But back to the mantra as usual and stats (which people are not arguing) people are arguing real world functionality. Am sure you are an expert on the rela world funtion and peoples beliefs and connectivity in places like Mercer, Bucks, Burlington, Hunterdon counties etc. By why botheryou were your stats like some badge regardless of what the truth is.

New Castle DE has a higher per cap GDP than does SF, it must be more powerful obviously... Why would reality ever come into play or even a suggestion of things not appropriately quantified by census numbers. If you advocate such strict adherance to these census braks please do NOT ever post any metrics that include SJ in the SF metro categories. it is OBVIOUSLY not correct

I will gladly go back and pull up the probably 100s of such examples of your misuse. But again both sides of the fense is definately a strong suit
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:48 AM
 
Location: The City
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They've already been corrected on this issue at least a dozen times in the past year alone.

Hell, I made this chart just in September to squash the often told lie that Philadelpha was 'robbed' of Mercer County:



Mercer County belongs exactly where it is, part of the New York CSA.
And if you really stay technical, with the 2010 data Mercer now make the MSA connection with NYC and as a result Burlington County NJ creates the Philly to NYC CSA connection so all these CSA points are basically irrelevant as the Philly CSA now is just massive relative to the others.
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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And if you really stay technical, with the 2010 data Mercer now make the MSA connection with NYC and as a result Burlington County NJ creates the Philly to NYC CSA connection so all these CSA points are basically irrelevant as the Philly CSA now is just massive relative to the others.
I have no clue what this means?

Mercer is already part of the NY CSA. Its not speculation.

If your trying to say that Burlington sends 15% to both Philadelphia and Trenton, that's easy.

Here's one easy solution. In the past the OMB has actually created county divisions. One divison would go to Philadelphia MSA and the other to the Trenton-Ewing MSA.

Easy.
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:17 AM
 
Location: NY-NJ-Philly looks down at SF and laughs at the hippies
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I have no clue what this means?

Mercer is already part of the NY CSA. Its not speculation.

If your trying to say that Burlington sends 15% to both Philadelphia and Trenton, that's easy.

Here's one easy solution. In the past the OMB has actually created county divisions. One divison would go to Philadelphia MSA and the other to the Trenton-Ewing MSA.

Easy.
Why should Philly suffer for being close to NY? Philly should not be put down for being close to NY, the bay area should be put down for having three major cities in a metro area spread 50 miles apart.
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