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View Poll Results: Which city do you think is better overall?
Cleveland 207 52.41%
Detroit 188 47.59%
Voters: 395. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 04-24-2012, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Cleveland.

2. Cleveland has a functioning mass transit sytem, and they have developed several forms of rapid transit (including light rail to/from their Airport).
Ironically, an interesting article out of Michigan today:

Rep. Gary Peters: If Cleveland can do mass transit, why can't Detroit? | MLive.com
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:15 PM
 
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Detroit is bombed out. too far gone. Its suburbs are turning into something respectable, but that city will be left to rot, they might build transit around it, but not to it. Its up to the remaining people of Detroit, and its not looking good. Incompetent leadership panders to a culture of entitlement that has crushed the city, so they wont make the tough decisions that need to be made to save the city, because it won't get them into office. Recently they've had trouble fighting fires. A disturbing sign.
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Downtown Cleveland is booming!
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Downtown Cleveland is booming!
Word. We've been taking the rapid train downtown lately because parking has become completely impossible over the past year.

- Restaurants and hotels are booked weeks in advance Downtown Cleveland booked
- Apartments are 97% full
- About another $1 Billion in new construction should finish up by 2013

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Old 05-21-2012, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Why won't they show Detroit in the Pure Michigan ads? That city has a lot of history.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:09 PM
 
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Why won't they show Detroit in the Pure Michigan ads? That city has a lot of history.
The people of Michigan have a vitriol hate for Detroit. Some even try to go out of their way and pretend Grand Rapids (which isn't even bigger than Des Moines) is the state's largest city and demanded that Michigan disowns Detroit.

I doubt many Michiganders (outside of stray suburbanites) are even aware of how rich the city's history is.

This is in contrast to the Illinois ads, which are mostly featuring Chicago.
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:00 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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The people of Michigan have a vitriol hate for Detroit. Some even try to go out of their way and pretend Grand Rapids (which isn't even bigger than Des Moines) is the state's largest city and demanded that Michigan disowns Detroit.

I doubt many Michiganders (outside of stray suburbanites) are even aware of how rich the city's history is.
That's a pretty broad generalization. We don't all hate Detroit. I would love nothing more than to see Detroit turn around.

If anything, it's more of a frustration with Detroit. Some of us live hundreds of miles away, yet the perception people have of our state is driven by the image of Detroit. I think it's almost easier to see what's wrong with Detroit when you are watching from a distance. We see the same BS repeated over and over again. Racism from suburbanites and Detroiters alike, anti-business attitudes from Detroit leaders, the "us vs them" crap, viewing any regional cooperation as "they are trying to take over OUR city!" It is extremely frustrating to watch. It's almost like the only way to fix Detroit is to have the older generations in both the city and suburbs finally die off or move away so that everyone can finally move forward.

Believe it or not, there is a lot of pride in this state when you get away from Detroit. That's where a lot of the Grand Rapids homerism comes from. People are proud that they have a nice-looking city with a healthy downtown and decent job market. It can get annoying sometimes, but the regional pride is one of the best things that Grand Rapids has going for it. People seriously care about GR and want it to be the best city it can be. When people constantly point to Grand Rapids instead of Detroit, I think it is a defense mechanism. It is a bummer when people from elsewhere say, "you're from Michigan? Oh, well you probably live in Detroit. Detroit is terrible!" No one enjoys having that conversation. I don't blame people for wanting to talk about Grand Rapids instead of Detroit. At least they are looking for a way to be positive.

Also, 313Weather, you really should visit downtown GR sometime before you dismiss it as a small town. The population numbers do not tell the whole story. It is a much more happening place than Des Moines.

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Old 05-22-2012, 05:59 AM
 
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The people of Michigan have a vitriol hate for Detroit. Some even try to go out of their way and pretend Grand Rapids (which isn't even bigger than Des Moines) is the state's largest city and demanded that Michigan disowns Detroit.

I doubt many Michiganders (outside of stray suburbanites) are even aware of how rich the city's history is.

This is in contrast to the Illinois ads, which are mostly featuring Chicago.

That's news to me. I never hear anyone try to place Grand Rapids over Detroit.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Why won't they show Detroit in the Pure Michigan ads? That city has a lot of history.
Obvious opening shot, Cranbrook Gardens (Bloomfield Hills), DIA, Henry Ford (Dearborn)


Pure Michigan Commercial: "A Simple Sunrise" - YouTube

Up until the little girl and the head busts are Detroit locations (and so are the last few shots).


Pure Michigan Commercial: "Treasure" - YouTube

Detroit locations: Riverwalk, Henry Ford (Dearborn), Pallister Street, DIA, Detroit Zoo (Royal Oak)


Pure Michigan - "Trailhead" - YouTube

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Old 05-24-2012, 09:38 PM
 
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Cleveland is better. We have a good skyline. I have to admit that detroits is a little more impressive though. But what makes Cleveland stand out is its culture, pride, and hardworking people.

Culture-birthplace of rock and roll. We have the rock hall. West side market. Playhouse Square is the country's biggest theatre next to Broadway.

Everybody in Cleveland has this very special bond with the city. Everybody seems prod to be a clevelander.
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