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Old 03-29-2011, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Miami
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This is about MSAs, not CSAs. MSAs
are more relevant and universally used in comparison to CSAs.

Sure, SF and SJ are in somewhat connected but can someone please answer why San Francisco has such a tough time standing on it's own without SJ being combined into it?

Has anyone ever heard a NYer whine and moan when Bridgeport and New Haven metros are left seperate from their stats?

When metro ( MSA) stats are posted for Washington, you never hear Washingtonians crying about the exclusion of Baltimore.

Chicago, Boston, Dallas, the same thing





Dare seperate SJ from SF and San Franciscans go crazy.
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Well the San Jose has only recently emerged as an MSA. Some of you probably weren't born yet.

San Jose started counting as an MSA maybe 15 years ago. So historically SJ has belonged to SF. It's not that SF is trying to claim SJ because it is doing well, SF is trying to keep something that has always been a part of the metro.
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:12 PM
 
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This is about MSAs, not CSAs. MSAs
are more relevant and universally used in comparison to CSAs.

Sure, SF and SJ are in somewhat connected but can someone please answer why San Francisco has such a tough time standing on it's own without SJ being combined into it?

Has anyone ever heard a NYer whine and moan when Bridgeport and New Haven metros are left seperate from their stats?

When metro ( MSA) stats are posted for Washington, you never hear Washingtonians crying about the exclusion of Baltimore.

Chicago, Boston, Dallas, the same thing





Dare seperate SJ from SF and San Franciscans go crazy.
Actually, everytime a Billionaires list is discussed, if you leave the 10 Billionaires that live in CT out of the NYC count. Watch NYers go CRAZY!! lol

Take Ft. Worth out of Dallas counts and the the Dallas people go on a rampage.

That fact that Trenton counts with NYC's CSA and not Philidelphia is a major point of contention.

Dude, these are all legitimate gripes and I can understand and hear them all. The fact that you won't even budge an inch and continue harping on SF/SJ tells me more about you than anything.

Peace.

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Old 03-29-2011, 05:20 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Bridgeport and New Haven don't even make up 10% of the population of NYC's CSA, San Jose makes up a much larger portion of the CSA than either of those two. And that is the case with a lot of the CSA's; their smaller MSA's aren't a huge chunk of the overall population. Baltimore would be similar to San Jose in terms of how proportionate it is to the entire CSA. But the difference with the Bay Area is a lot of its major companies and industries are located in the San Jose MSA rather than being concentrated in the main/core MSA like they are in DC, NYC, LA, etc...

Also Dallas-FT is one MSA, nobody as even heard of the smaller MSA's that are part of the CSA.
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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Originally Posted by sputnikkk View Post
This is about MSAs, not CSAs. MSAs
are more relevant and universally used in comparison to CSAs.

Sure, SF and SJ are in somewhat connected but can someone please answer why San Francisco has such a tough time standing on it's own without SJ being combined into it?

Dare seperate SJ from SF and San Franciscans go crazy.
I think the part in bold is what everyone has a problem with.
You only hear but the CSA has ... when its a competition.

population
GDP
Companies
etc etc etc

otherwise it is SF has such a small foot print, and look how many people we can fit in this small area, and look at our density
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Dare seperate SJ from SF and San Franciscans go crazy.
Dare explain what a CSA is and everyone else goes bezerk. Some people actually fall overthemselves in disgust at the thought of Combined Statistical Areas.

They actually think its a deliberate campaign to inflate the size of metro area regions.

Its totally delusional and egotistical.
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:42 PM
 
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Bridgeport and New Haven don't even make up 10% of the population of NYC's CSA, San Jose makes up a much larger portion of the CSA than either of those two. And that is the case with a lot of the CSA's; their smaller MSA's aren't a huge chunk of the overall population. Baltimore would be similar to San Jose in terms of how proportionate it is to the entire CSA. But the difference with the Bay Area is a lot of its major companies and industries are located in the San Jose MSA rather than being concentrated in the main/core MSA like they are in DC, NYC, LA, etc...

Also Dallas-FT is one MSA, nobody as even heard of the smaller MSA's that are part of the CSA.
I don't pretend to know much about the DC/Baltimore region, and I'm here to ask questions and learn about the dynamics of places I don't have a full understanding of. So, can someone please inform me if DC shares the same local TV stations and radio stations. I ask this because SF/SJ does. When I talk to my wife down in Santa Clara and tell her to watch something on channel 2, 4, 5, 7, or 11, we are absolutely watching the same thing. Same news, same music, same identity. That's why we feel so strongly on this.

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Old 03-29-2011, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Nah. This is just telling you the GDP of each city/metro. That's all.
I disagree.......some of the GDP's rankings are listed for CSA's and GDP 's do not tell the whole story of perceived city importance.......For example this list has Philadelphia number 4 in the nation.

http://www.mastercard.com/us/company...eport_2008.pdf

List of cities by GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-29-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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I disagree.......some of the GDP's rankings are listed for CSA's and GDP 's do not tell the whole story of perceived city importance.......For example this list has Philadelphia number 4 in the nation.

http://www.mastercard.com/us/company...eport_2008.pdf

List of cities by GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Except that Wikipedia list dates back to 2005 when Philly was 4th in the nation. Its not anymore and even SF MSA has surpassed Philly MSA with 1.5 million less people and my gut feeling is that it will continue pulling away.

Here is a site by the government http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regi..._metro0211.pdf
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Old 03-29-2011, 10:03 PM
 
Location: So California
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I don't pretend to know much about the DC/Baltimore region, and I'm here to ask questions and learn about the dynamics of places I don't have a full understanding of. So, can someone please inform me if DC shares the same local TV stations and radio stations. I ask this because SF/SJ does. When I talk to my wife down in Santa Clara and tell her to watch something on channel 2, 4, 5, 7, or 11, we are absolutely watching the same thing. Same news, same music, same identity. That's why we feel so strongly on this.

I think thats right, someone else mentioned that SJ was part of metro SF previsouly, which it was. DC/Baltimore is always brought up, but SF/SJ is the worst example in the US of a split MSA. Youve got SF on one side of the Bay and Oakland on the other, both extend south with other municipalities and connect with San Jose. You can drive from SF south down the peninsula through San Jose and north to Oakland with absolutely no breaks in the built up area.
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