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Syracuse isn't a part of a CMSA, but the Central NY regional designation serves a similar purpose and includes the Ithaca CSA and Utica-Rome MSA, along with the Syracuse CSA. Within this region, Lake Ontario, a few Finger Lakes and a portion of the Adirondacks are in parts of the region. It has around 1.2 million people or so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_New_York
Among others. Welch Allyn, Raymour & Flanigan, Marquardt Switches, Syracuse Research Corporation, JMA Wireless and Dumac are headquartered in the area, as many smaller companies are in the area versus the bigger, major companies.
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I live in greensboro, i love it, the increasing growth is picking up ridiculously fast, as other cities are in the "new south" movement, however. I chose Syracuse.
It just looks more interesting and it's on the water front, a big plus for me, however it still has alot of old character.. where as greensboro is basically demolishing anything old/vintage for shiny new big apartment mixed use or office building projects.. which, although modern projects are cool, the city looses it's character as an old texttile city.
Yet, Syracuse NY looks more interesting to me. By about 15% however given the choice i would stay in the boro..as i like how huge and wide open it is, land wise it feels like dallas
Not to mention, for a city with 300.000 people...traffic is a breeze thanks to all the belt ways and freeways and overal amazing "up to date" infastructure.
Right now a 40 mile loop is being built around the city and it's nearly complete..that's even more smoother for the traffic.
I think that you are right and it, along with Winston-Salem have to be next. Charlotte and Raleigh, while not too expensive, are increasing in terms of COL. So, Greensboro could be an option.
In terms of Syracuse, while the population is pretty much flat, give or take, there has been quite a bit of development in the Franklin Square neighborhood just NW of Downtown in terms of apartments in former warehouses. That district is also a short drive, bike ride or even walk from Destiny USA, the biggest shopping center in NY State and the 6th biggest in the United States.
You are also seeing a lot of housing being built on/near the University Hill area primarily targeted towards college students, as enrollment at Syracuse Umiversity has actually increased, especially from International students and as the student population becomes more diverse in general.
There is also a possible revamping of the War Memorial Arena in Downtown and some more housing has been built there as well. There has also been additional hotels built or slated for Downtown, with one being built across from Destiny USA. There is also a new Aloft Hotel in the Inner Harbor.
Old money neighborhoods like Strathmore, Sedgwick, Berkeley Park and Scottholm are still very nice and intact. Eastwood, a neighborhood with about 11-12% of the city's population is also still pretty solid and walkable. Tipperary Hill on the city's Westside and the Westcott/University area on the Eastside are alternatives to Downtown for young professionals, with the latter still having a hippy/quirky type of vibe that values the neighborhood's diversity. Some may live in the gritty North Salina Street/North State Street/Little Italy corridor, which also has some loft apartments and is a few blocks or so from St. Joseph's Hospital. So, that may be an option for those that work there.
South and Westsides still have that rough inner/better outer neighborhood dynamic or at least where the further out, the better. Similar for the Northside(except for maybe right on North Salina Street and much of the somewhat gentrified by some of the LGBTQ community Hayley-Green neighborhood in terms of inner neighborhoods). That area of town is also known for its refugee population as well. Eastside except for a little strip along East Fayette Street is pretty much solid to very nice and is probably the most diverse, middle class area in the area, if not Upstate NY(look at info for zip code 13224 and parts of zip code 13214 for examples). There's also the South Valley neighborhood(most outer neighborhood to the south), Elmwood Park area(up the hill/outer SW area), parts of Strathmore(to the north) and to a lesser degree Court-Woodlawn(north of Grant Boulevard/east of LeMoyne Ave) and parts of Eastwood are similar in that regard.
As for schools, just as that superintendent left, while there is room for improvement, the black and white grad rates were the same for 2016 in the public school district(both at 64%). Its Tech HS with its predominantly black, but diverse student enrollment had a 89% grad rate last year(90% for black students and Its valedictorian is going to Cornell: https://youtu.be/E86arWcVZuM ).There are also charter and private options within and just outside of the city as well.
There are 4 other projects that are targeted towards students that have been finished in recent years as well. Some of these projects are on/near this bus line: Connective Corridor
What's funny is I almost did a thread on these cities months ago...
These two cities would fall in the same tier, but off bat, future projections favor Greensboro. There are fewer cities closer to my heart than Syracuse but it has to stop bleeding population...
So from my vantage, economy is the chief metric I grade cities by. Greensboro doesn't have a reputation as being economically great, but it is growing at a rate about 63.45% faster than Syracuse (since 2010). I'd also say that Greensboro is more diverse, right off the bat. Greensboro has experienced only slightly higher job growth in the last year (by percentage) and both cities are about the same in unemployment. Greensboro isn't a boomtown and doesn't feel like it, but it is going to have the edge here....
All other categories:
Whoever said Greensboro has a vibrant downtown told a complete lie; vibrant by whose standards? Syracuse has the larger downtown without question (though I wouldn't say it feels larger as a city; they feel about the same), and is much more vibrant, at day and nightlife. Syracuse gets twice the number of commuters, which would contribute to the difference in pace in the two cities. Downtown Greensboro isn't much pleasing at all; they have one two-block strip of nightlife, two blocks is being generous, and the rest of downtown is a dead zone. By comparison, Downtown Syracuse has entertainment more evenly spread. It is much more aesthetically pleasing than Greensboro's downtown on all facets. I can't stand Downtown Greensboro. One of my best friends is one of the business partners for Social Status, which has a location on Elm and also in other cities. Elm is okay. It is Hay Street in Fayetteville with a few more venues, owing to size...
I may be the only person on this board who has done nightlife in both cities. The Spring Garden area is a nice nightlife complement for Greensboro, and is more popping than I imagined. Overall, I'd say nightlife is better in Syracuse, because in Greensboro, there's Elm, Spring Garden, and that's it...
Neighborhoods are going to be closer to a draw. I feel like Greensboro has some underrated neighborhoods and certain parts of town are beautiful. Syracuse's beauty is more rugged. I spent a lot of time on the South Salinas corridor some years back, and also around Strathmore and University Hill. In Greensboro I've spent time around Golden and UNCG. The university areas are comparable bit Syracuse U runs the city in a way UNCG does not. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. There is much more urban blight and decay in Syracuse...
The diversity in people you find in Syracuse is unmatched by Greensboro....
Shopping is going to be pretty much a draw. Carousel (oops, I mean Destiny lol; it was Carousel when I lived in NY) is kinda overrated. It's big, and because of its size may have some retailers others do not, but is basically any large mall. Four Seasons is more than comparable. Both have local boutiques and retailers but neither are considered prominent for this even within their states; shopping is a draw...
Overall, these cities are fairly equal. My choice? Syracuse still, but Greensboro has warmed on me. I visited Syracuse two months ago for the first time in three years, and I've been to Greensboro maybe 6-7 times between April 2016 and now. Syracuse could get old to me for its decay, certain parts of town look really bad. It's economy is largely dependent on SU, while Greensboro's is more diverse. Both are too small for me to want to live in but I'm a pseudo-New Yorker Upstater, so I love it. I could live in Greensboro if I had to. They are fairly even overall with slight edge to Greensboro...
What's funny is I almost did a thread on these cities months ago...
These two cities would fall in the same tier, but off bat, future projections favor Greensboro. There are fewer cities closer to my heart than Syracuse but it has to stop bleeding population...
So from my vantage, economy is the chief metric I grade cities by. Greensboro doesn't have a reputation as being economically great, but it is growing at a rate about 63.45% faster than Syracuse (since 2010). I'd also say that Greensboro is more diverse, right off the bat. Greensboro has experienced only slightly higher job growth in the last year (by percentage) and both cities are about the same in unemployment. Greensboro isn't a boomtown and doesn't feel like it, but it is going to have the edge here....
All other categories:
Whoever said Greensboro has a vibrant downtown told a complete lie; vibrant by whose standards? Syracuse has the larger downtown without question (though I wouldn't say it feels larger as a city; they feel about the same), and is much more vibrant, at day and nightlife. Syracuse gets twice the number of commuters, which would contribute to the difference in pace in the two cities. Downtown Greensboro isn't much pleasing at all; they have one two-block strip of nightlife, two blocks is being generous, and the rest of downtown is a dead zone. By comparison, Downtown Syracuse has entertainment more evenly spread. It is much more aesthetically pleasing than Greensboro's downtown on all facets. I can't stand Downtown Greensboro. One of my best friends is one of the business partners for Social Status, which has a location on Elm and also in other cities. Elm is okay. It is Hay Street in Fayetteville with a few more venues, owing to size...
I may be the only person on this board who has done nightlife in both cities. The Spring Garden area is a nice nightlife complement for Greensboro, and is more popping than I imagined. Overall, I'd say nightlife is better in Syracuse, because in Greensboro, there's Elm, Spring Garden, and that's it...
Neighborhoods are going to be closer to a draw. I feel like Greensboro has some underrated neighborhoods and certain parts of town are beautiful. Syracuse's beauty is more rugged. I spent a lot of time on the South Salinas corridor some years back, and also around Strathmore and University Hill. In Greensboro I've spent time around Golden and UNCG. The university areas are comparable bit Syracuse U runs the city in a way UNCG does not. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. There is much more urban blight and decay in Syracuse...
The diversity in people you find in Syracuse is unmatched by Greensboro....
Shopping is going to be pretty much a draw. Carousel (oops, I mean Destiny lol; it was Carousel when I lived in NY) is kinda overrated. It's big, and because of its size may have some retailers others do not, but is basically any large mall. Four Seasons is more than comparable. Both have local boutiques and retailers but neither are considered prominent for this even within their states; shopping is a draw...
Overall, these cities are fairly equal. My choice? Syracuse still, but Greensboro has warmed on me. I visited Syracuse two months ago for the first time in three years, and I've been to Greensboro maybe 6-7 times between April 2016 and now. Syracuse could get old to me for its decay, certain parts of town look really bad. It's economy is largely dependent on SU, while Greensboro's is more diverse. Both are too small for me to want to live in but I'm a pseudo-New Yorker Upstater, so I love it. I could live in Greensboro if I had to. They are fairly even overall with slight edge to Greensboro...
Very fair post.....In terms of Syracuse employment, I believe that 3/8 jobs in the metro area area within 0-5 miles of the core according to a Brookings Institute study a few years ago. Syracuse University is the biggest employers, but there are other employers on University Hill are SUNY-Upstate Medical, Crouse Hospital, the VA Hospital(supposedly one of the best in the country), SUNY-ESF and Hutchings Psych Center: Welcome to University Hill!
Many of the places mentioned earlier are outside of city limits and there are places like the Hancock Business Park where some companies are concentrated. Top Local Employers | CNY Works
As for the people, Syracuse may be one of a handful of cities with legitimate white, black, Asian, Hispanic and Native American communities, while having diversity within each of them. You can tell in some parts of town and in terms of the food. Westcott Street, Crouse/Marshall, Downtown and parts of the Northside are good in this regard. You can find Spanish Caribbean, Soul Food, Jamaican, Iraqi, Polish, Ukrainian, Irish pub and Native American owned restaurants in other parts of the city or just outside of it. You also have African, Asian, Middle Eastern, Italian and Greek markets in the city as well. This is pretty big in Downtown: https://www.google.com/amp/s/article...s_for_2017.amp
As for Destiny USA, it actually expanded since the thread started and it has had retail come and go. It also added a range of entertainment options like Funny Bone, Pole Position, etc as well: https://www.destinyusa.com/directory/
In terms of population and as mentioned earlier, it has essentially been flat within the past 7 years, with slight estimated losses. With the development going on around the University Hill area and some immigration/refugee resettlement, hopefully there will be some growth that is sparked in terms of populations and more industry/businesses.
Whoever said Greensboro has a vibrant downtown told a complete lie; vibrant by whose standards? Syracuse has the larger downtown without question (though I wouldn't say it feels larger as a city; they feel about the same), and is much more vibrant, at day and nightlife. Syracuse gets twice the number of commuters, which would contribute to the difference in pace in the two cities. Downtown Greensboro isn't much pleasing at all; they have one two-block strip of nightlife, two blocks is being generous, and the rest of downtown is a dead zone. By comparison, Downtown Syracuse has entertainment more evenly spread. It is much more aesthetically pleasing than Greensboro's downtown on all facets. I can't stand Downtown Greensboro. One of my best friends is one of the business partners for Social Status, which has a location on Elm and also in other cities. Elm is okay. It is Hay Street in Fayetteville with a few more venues, owing to size...
Elm Street has pretty vibrant nightlife and I like the way downtown Greensboro is rounding out with new development, parks, etc. It's a smallish downtown but I like it myself, plus you don't find too many downtowns Greensboro's size bookended by two sizable universities and circled by a greenway loop.
Elm Street has pretty vibrant nightlife and I like the way downtown Greensboro is rounding out with new development, parks, etc. It's a smallish downtown but I like it myself, plus you don't find too many downtowns Greensboro's size bookended by two sizable universities and circled by a greenway loop.
I get it...it still doesn't fit my standards for vibrancy. Amongst similarly-sized cities, I can assure you Syracuse and Albany and Knoxville have it beat, just to list three cities I know if off the top of my head. One could probably also say Durham...
I get it...it still doesn't fit my standards for vibrancy. Amongst similarly-sized cities, I can assure you Syracuse and Albany and Knoxville have it beat, just to list three cities I know if off the top of my head. One could probably also say Durham...
I was speaking of nightlife on Elm Street specifically, not downtown as a whole, and I never said it was the most vibrant within its tier but I think it does pretty well for nightlife. And let's face it, outside of the Charlestons and Savannahs, the majority of midsized Southern cities have their vibrancy concentrated along their main strip with a few pockets scattered here and there. Greensboro isn't at the bottom of the list when it comes to this.
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