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Posters are insulting 18Montclair's intelligence. Now I've seen everything.
LOL I don't take it personal. It's because they can't actually debate what I'm saying.
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BTW, the East Bay is no bargain anymore, either.
Unfortunately for middle income families, this is true.
According to Trulia, the median sale price for a 4-bedroom house in the city of Oakland from Aug-Nov 2013 is $765,000-Oakland, the city almost universally lambasted by media outlets for crime, drugs, ebonics, anarchists, occupy etc and the verbal whipping boy of inland racists/rednecks/neocons, costs $765,000 for the average 4-bd house. Ironically for San Jose it's 'only' $720,000 That's because Oakland's expensive areas really sway the stats up. You can find 4-bd homes in hood areas in the 400-500K range but that isn't for everyone.
Actually the typical 4-bd house is really quite expensive anywhere in the immediate Oakland Area: Median Sale Price, 4-bd house:
Piedmont $1,407,500
Berkeley $1,177,500
Kensington $1,095,000
Alameda $854,000
Albany $785,000
Oakland $765,000
San Leandro $635,000
The East Bay is a bargain compared to SF perhaps, but is still way more expensive on average than 99% of the rest of the country-and that's unfortunate as I said.
We need to retain our middle class imo, but they are fleeing to cheaper areas far away.
I'm not from either city...but as a Cali native, I can tell you that SF is a cool city. But is it much better than New Orleans? No. Especially enough to justify spending over 3 times as much to live in? Hell no!
Chilly Gentilly was spot on about New Orleans in that no other city delivers on that level while maintaining such affordability.
Except that NOLA still lacks jobs while SF doesn't. You'll also likely live in the core of NOLA and be almost completely surrounded by poverty and VERY high crime.
NOLA is a very great city, but let's not kid ourselves and think NOLA is on SF's level. SF is a world class city that is very well rounded except for cost of living and that's because it's so desirable.
If NOLA is just this incredible city, why aren't people flocking to it by the hundreds of thousands? Because in the end, most people know the problems that lie beyond the central core.
You claimed that SF was more appealing to Europeans because it was a busier air hub.
That's an absurd statement, because airports don't build hubs based on tourists. Atlanta Hartsfield has the busiest hub in the world.; so you would claim that Atlanta is the most appealing destination on earth for tourists?
No it's not an absurd statement. The true gauge of evaluating the draw of European visitors is the number of foreign airlines serving the airport, not the destinations the home hub carrier serves.
Every international city United Airlines serves from SFO has a foreign carrier competing on the same route. So YES there is a large European draw to the Bay Area. You make an excellent point when discussing Dallas, Atlanta, Detroit and other midwest/southern cities (except Chicago and Miami)
Except that NOLA still lacks jobs while SF doesn't. You'll also likely live in the core of NOLA and be almost completely surrounded by poverty and VERY high crime.
NOLA is a very great city, but let's not kid ourselves and think NOLA is on SF's level. SF is a world class city that is very well rounded except for cost of living and that's because it's so desirable.
If NOLA is just this incredible city, why aren't people flocking to it by the hundreds of thousands? Because in the end, most people know the problems that lie beyond the central core.
1. This is untrue. Anyone who knows New Orleans understands fully that the "poverty and VERY high crime" are VERY specific to certain areas. And while New Orleans doesn't lack jobs to the extent you allude to, Chopin is retiring in a year, and thus isn't looking for work.
Again, with respect, I'd expect someone from a city as flawed and inundated with misperceptions as Atlanta, you'd understand fact aside from conventional notions.
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Except that NOLA still lacks jobs while SF doesn't. You'll also likely live in the core of NOLA and be almost completely surrounded by poverty and VERY high crime.
NOLA is a very great city, but let's not kid ourselves and think NOLA is on SF's level. SF is a world class city that is very well rounded except for cost of living and that's because it's so desirable.
If NOLA is just this incredible city, why aren't people flocking to it by the hundreds of thousands? Because in the end, most people know the problems that lie beyond the central core.
Terribly lazy assessment. Have you ever been to the city?
No one is saying New Orleans is on San Francisco's level.
People are flocking to the city and it's growing by leaps and bounds, fastest in the country. These aren't former residents either, these are young professionals and families from other states.
New Orleans is so slept on, but maybe that's a good thing. Don't want to turn into any other large sunbelt city.
A city so flawed that over 2.5 million people(NEARLY DOUBLE NOLA'S CURRENT METRO POP.) have moved to the general area in the past 2 decades and continue to move here by the hundred of thousands every year. Every city has flaws. None are perfect and that certainly hold true for NOLA and you can continue saying that the crime is only segregated to certain neighborhoods, but this can be said by nearly every major city in this country. NOLA is still top 3 for Crime in not only municipal, but metro as well. That is a fact and is supported by NUMBERS. Do the google search if you want.
NOLA is very nasty and gritty outside of the central city. You're delusional if you think otherwise. You can continue to pretend as if the crime and poverty and grit and human misery don't exist in NOLA, but it does and it's VERY widespread. The higher a city is in crime, the more is spillovers into nice neighborhoods.
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That's because Oakland's expensive areas really sway the stats up. You can find 4-bd homes in hood areas in the 400-500K range but that isn't for everyone.
