Brooklyn vs San Francisco (live, state, better, compare)

[BajanYankee]

Besides, you guys have already f-ed yourselves by saying that the Bay Area is basically a 10 sq. mile "core," remember? That's how it can match Brooklyn's density, right? If it weren't for the sleepy, low density, dull and boring residential areas that comprise the other 37 sq. miles of San Francisco, SF's population density would be something around 1,456,354 people per square mile.

So if the "core" of SF is just 10 sq. miles, and the rest of the city is boring and residential (you guys have high peaks and low valleys, remember?), then what does that say about the rest of the Bay Area? Why would I want to live in the other 37 sq. miles of SF where nothing goes on or in the other parts of the Bay which are clearly inferior to even the low-density parts of SF?

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

Besides, you guys have already f-ed yourselves by saying that the Bay Area is basically a 10 sq. mile "core," remember? That's how it can match Brooklyn's density, right? If it weren't for the sleepy, low density, dull and boring residential areas that comprise the other 37 sq. miles of San Francisco, SF's population density would be something around 1,456,354 people per square mile.

So if the "core" of SF is just 10 sq. miles, and the rest of the city is boring and residential (you guys have high peaks and low valleys, remember?), then what does that say about the rest of the Bay Area? Why would I want to live in the other 37 sq. miles of SF where nothing goes on or in the other parts of the Bay which are clearly inferior to even the low-density parts of SF?

Again the arguments shift to whatever side of the fence is most beneficial, this is nothing new

BTW, asians count outside the core, should have been point 8 above

[Gateway Region]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

This link seems dated, isnt there a more recent report?

Here you go.

Global Cities 2008 (Foriegn Policy Standards)

This is the only link or source I know of that breaks down cities and ranks them by categories.

SF:

Business Activity: 27
HUman Capital: 12
Information Exchange: 22
Cultural Experience: 23
Political Engagement: 29

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

So you concede that San Francisco is inferior to New York City?

Hahaha...I concede that Manhattan is more powerful, more urbane(actually SF and Manhattan are close as far as urbanity), is a far more important financial center and place of business, and a bigger tourist, cultural, arts, entertainment, shopping, dining destination. Absolutely.

Brooklyn however is probably closer to Baltimore or Oakland as far as power, urbanity , importance as a business center etc.

SF is just too much for the entire 718 area code.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

This link seems dated, isnt there a more recent report?

They have not done an update on that particular ranking since 2004.

However, if they did San Francisco would probably rank at the same level if not higher due to the global boom in social media which had not yet taken place the last time this ranking was released.

[Nineties Flava]

Originally Posted by Dub King

Don't make the mistake of thinking that most people share your opinions.

Thou doth protest too much, BTW - A bit of an Oakland inferiority complex poking through. At least you acknowledge that san Francisco has double the crime of Brooklyn, so obviously the 'reputation' you speak of is really a delusion. Brooklyn is definitively better in terms of crime, yet you dismiss that reality. I guess facts just don;t count when they don't fit into the bay area narrative.

Also, Philly matches SF in terms of overall crime rate, so it too is better than Oakland in that regard. For shame.

By rate... Definitely not by neighborhood. There is no equivalent area to the 73rd precinct (Ocean Hill & part of Brownsville) in SF... looking at the data on this link:

NYPD - Office of the Chief of Department

makes it extremely obvious that Brooklyn is not the "safest big place in America" you are all making it out to be despite how much New York City likes to claim that...

Here's the 2011 statistics for the 73rd precinct so far:


Murders: 26
Rape: 24
Robbery: 484
Fel. Assault: 578
Burglary: 308
Gr. Larceny: 408
G.L.A: 116

This precinct by itself has had more than half the murders SF has had this year.

Trying to pretend Brooklyn is crime-free makes you sound like you live in a bubble.

[Gateway Region]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Hahaha...I concede that Manhattan is more powerful, more urbane(actually SF and Manhattan are close as far as urbanity), is a far more important financial center and place of business, and a bigger tourist, cultural, arts, entertainment, shopping, dining destination. Absolutely.

Brooklyn however is probably closer to Baltimore or Oakland as far as power, urbanity , importance as a business center etc.

SF is just too much for the entire 718 area code.

With the statement in bold I have officially heard it all. They are NOWHERE near the same level.

Manhattan - 1,585,873 population - 22.96 sq miles = 69,071 ppsm
SF = 805,235 population - 46.87 sq miles = 17,180 ppsm

Yes, they look so similar.

[Gateway Region]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

They have not done an update on that particular ranking since 2004.

However, if they did San Francisco would probably rank at the same level if not higher due to the global boom in social media which had not yet taken place the last time this ranking was released.

I have stats from 2008, they rank LOWER.

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[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Gateway Region

With the statement in bold I have officially heard it all. They are NOWHERE near the same level.

Manhattan - 1,585,873 population - 22.96 sq miles = 69,071 ppsm
SF = 805,235 population - 46.87 sq miles = 17,180 ppsm

Yes, they look so similar.

Please look up the meaning of the word 'urbanity' and then come back.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Gateway Region

I have stats from 2008, they rank LOWER.

post #633

That's a different organization with different criteria and methodoloty. GAWC has not updated their ranking of Most Well Rounded Cities which leads me to believe that the order of cities probably hasnt changed.