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Originally Posted by polo89
This is super interesting to me. Santa Ana kinda reminds me of Hialeah FL. Both are REALLY HIGH population density suburbs. Both have an abundance of high density apartment buildings, and high Latino immigrant populations.
It is a very interesting trend that is occurring in many cities now, particularly in the Sunbelt. While the central cities of the Sunbelt aren't Northeast-esque expensive yet (exception to Miami), they are expensive enough that the large populations of fast growing immigrants have been priced out of most neighborhoods.
Because of that, you are now seeing inner ring suburban areas that were built in the 50s to 70s with lower quality houses and apartments fill up with new arrivals. This is where the "downsides" of suburban are felt most since this group of people is less likely to be able to afford a car and do not have good access to public transit nor walkable areas close to retail and other services for the most part.
It is a very interesting trend that is occurring in many cities now, particularly in the Sunbelt. While the central cities of the Sunbelt aren't Northeast-esque expensive yet (exception to Miami), they are expensive enough that the large populations of fast growing immigrants have been priced out of most neighborhoods.
Because of that, you are now seeing inner ring suburban areas that were built in the 50s to 70s with lower quality houses and apartments fill up with new arrivals. This is where the "downsides" of suburban are felt most since this group of people is less likely to be able to afford a car and do not have good access to public transit nor walkable areas close to retail and other services for the most part.
Pretty much. I guess living in a gentrified inner-city neighborhood doesn't make one more enlightened after all. Especially when many people can't afford to live in those areas, and are being priced out to the burbs. Alot of exburbs have been popping up for years. The struggle is no longer within the urban confines of the inner-cities. It's the outer ring areas that are kinda being neglected. Kinda like Paris. Imagine that, the burbs are where the struggle is.
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Not to discount Santa Ana's density (VERY impressive), but there may very well be 29 square miles in Minneapolis/St. Paul that are that dense or denser. HOWEVER, considering that Santa Ana isn't in the MIDDLE of a major metropolis (it's a suburb or exurb), I find this phenomenon to be pretty amazing actually, and something to be proud of. Just don't compare Chicago to it, because it's not an apples to apples comparison....
Again.. there should be no pride in this. This is overcrowding.
Well 13K per square mile is nowhere NEAR overcrowding in general. I live in a neighborhood of 30K per square mile with plent of room on the sidewalks, retail/restaurants/a target, grocery stores, tree lined streets and a healthy and high standard of living.
It's all dependant on your infrastructure and the types and sizes of the housing. If you've got 13K per square mile shoved into tiny bungalows on cramped streets than it might be overcrowding. If you had 13K in my neighborhood it would seem empty.
If you've got 13K per square mile shoved into tiny bungalows..
See: Santa Ana, California
Overcrowding is a term that can be applied to any type of neighborhood, if there is an imbalance between housing units and population. Santa Ana is often considered the most overcrowded city in the US.
Well 13K per square mile is nowhere NEAR overcrowding in general. I live in a neighborhood of 30K per square mile with plent of room on the sidewalks, retail/restaurants/a target, grocery stores, tree lined streets and a healthy and high standard of living.
It's all dependant on your infrastructure and the types and sizes of the housing. If you've got 13K per square mile shoved into tiny bungalows on cramped streets than it might be overcrowding. If you had 13K in my neighborhood it would seem empty.
May I ask where you live specifically? When I look at Santa Ana on google earth, I see small gardens in peoples yards with palm trees.
Places like Streeterville or South Loop, etc. in Chicago or even East Lakeview, and other areas that line the north lakefront are NOT tree lined.
If all those bungalows had families with a lot of children then, which I imagine Santa Ana is, then I would imagine that it also might not be perceived as overcrowded.
Also, in many areas of greater LA, density is achieved by converting detached garages into a studio apartment which can be rented out.
Chicago had a higher density in 1950, when there was almost 800,000 more people, and had a lot fewer highrises.
Even Detroit with 1,800,000 people in 1950 in 140 square miles, was largely a city of detached homes with large families.
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