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Old 08-19-2013, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Broward County Florida
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I'm never claimed that Chicago was more dense or equal to NYC in size. I only made an earlier point of highlighting some of NYC's suburban characteristics even though Chicago has more of it. There are some suburban like areas of the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn that are less urban than some areas of Chicago but for the most part they have more density in total number. That's all. A lot more density than you'll find along Broward Boulevard.
But the Bronx Querns or Brooklyn are NOT less urban than any similarly sized part of Chicago. As a matter of fact are much, much more urban and densely populated.

Stop this nonsense already. For one thing new York's city core, manhattan, has none of the suburban characteristics of Chicago's city core, downtown, even though manhattan is quite a few times bigger than downtown Chicago.
Stop this nonsense.

 
Old 08-19-2013, 07:18 PM
 
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Chicago is much less densely populated and urban than New York with huge undeveloped swaths right in its core. That's all
So Tard, what you are trying to tell us small town hicks is that Chicago has more canvas to work with than does New York....???

http://www.studiogang.net/sites/defa...endering_0.jpg


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That must be exciting for architects and developers....
 
Old 08-19-2013, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Broward County Florida
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So Tard, what you are trying to tell us small town hicks is that Chicago has more canvas to work with than does New York....???

http://www.studiogang.net/sites/defa...endering_0.jpg


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Iowa has even more canvas. Lol.

New York City grows and builds super talks while Chicago keeps on waiting for better days. Lol
 
Old 08-19-2013, 08:06 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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Well Chicago made many plans to correct overcrowding of places like NY with wider blocks and such the problem is Chicago stopped growing then lost a million people then industry depleted throughout city its still being replaced however many developers choose to come in with a suburban aesthetic big parking lots etc.... The pay for parks will indeed likely go away the big box chains with parking lots along with new condos with attached surface parking are permanent eye sores for urban enthusiasts and developerrs continue to build them

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Old 08-19-2013, 08:31 PM
 
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Chicagoland is very much a region united by identity and history, I'd say to a much larger degree than New York, this reflects the geography of the metros as well. And the Chicago area continues to grow having almost doubled in the same time this 1,000,000 left the city. Almost all stayed in Chicagoland. The connection between Chicago and its suburbs is very very tight, so its best to think of it as one 10,000,000 person entity.

While I agree that much of the condo/apartment tower boom of the previous decades leaves much to be desired, the fact that the central core's population will be approaching 200,000 by 2020 is indeed a good thing, no? And it only sets the template for further growth/densification in the future.

Chicago is not done....it never will be done. It sits at the nexus of North America. The only point where the Great Lakes and Continental river systems meet. Way to powerful of a vortex/energy point to slumber for too long. New York might hit of a rough patch soon when the reins of power are handed over to God knows who there.....
 
Old 08-19-2013, 08:52 PM
 
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But the Bronx Querns or Brooklyn are NOT less urban than any similarly sized part of Chicago. As a matter of fact are much, much more urban and densely populated.
"Some" areas of the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn are actually less urban than Chicago in which I've already proven. Let me give you the examples again. Keep in mind not all the areas of those boroughs are like what grapico posted as you will also have suburban areas as well which are less urban. There's no denying they exist because they do. Chicago also has them even though NYC has less.

This is more urban
Chicago > http://goo.gl/maps/PPe7H

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Outside Manhattan none of the boroughs even downtown Brooklyn will ever have a CBD like this.




What grapico didn't post to reinforce my earlier point. There's two sides of the story.

Than this
Bronx:
E. 170th and Charlotte Street
http://goo.gl/maps/rMJxE
Crotona Park East
http://goo.gl/maps/JwwMO
Waring Avenue
http://goo.gl/maps/3bRwh
McDonald's fast food drive thru
http://goo.gl/maps/ppWrl
NYC has the big box stores and stripmalls as well.
http://goo.gl/maps/vYUjg
You even have a Home Depot
http://goo.gl/maps/n7E6U

Queens:
166th Street
http://goo.gl/maps/A9iuJ
170 Street
http://goo.gl/maps/REjzv
57th Steet
McDonald's fast food drive thru
http://goo.gl/maps/7TCmV

Brooklyn:

Marlborough Road
http://goo.gl/maps/XHpVQ
E. 11th Street
http://goo.gl/maps/xAgjM
78th Street
http://goo.gl/maps/ihz2j

Staten Island: speaks for itself
 
Old 08-19-2013, 08:52 PM
 
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Chicagoland is very much a region united by identity and history, I'd say to a much larger degree than New York, this reflects the geography of the metros as well. And the Chicago area continues to grow having almost doubled in the same time this 1,000,000 left the city. Almost all stayed in Chicagoland. The connection between Chicago and its suburbs is very very tight, so its best to think of it as one 10,000,000 person entity.

While I agree that much of the condo/apartment tower boom of the previous decades leaves much to be desired, the fact that the central core's population will be approaching 200,000 by 2020 is indeed a good thing, no? And it only sets the template for further growth/densification in the future.

Chicago is not done....it never will be done. It sits at the nexus of North America. The only point where the Great Lakes and Continental river systems meet. Way to powerful of a vortex/energy point to slumber for too long. New York might hit of a rough patch soon when the reins of power are handed over to God knows who there.....
What?
 
Old 08-19-2013, 08:55 PM
 
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Well Chicago made many plans to correct overcrowding of places like NY with wider blocks and such the problem is Chicago stopped growing then lost a million people then industry depleted throughout city its still being replaced however many developers choose to come in with a suburban aesthetic big parking lots etc.... The pay for parks will indeed likely go away the big box chains with parking lots along with new condos with attached surface parking are permanent eye sores for urban enthusiasts and developerrs continue to build them
I guess the countless parking garages in Manhattan at street level aren't eye sores either. It has more than the Loop. Sure the city will stop because grapico says it will.

Manhattan > http://goo.gl/maps/9fWnc

Loop > http://goo.gl/maps/gJ23y
 
Old 08-19-2013, 09:06 PM
 
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I guess the countless parking garages in Manhattan at street level aren't eye sores either. It has more than the Loop. Sure the city will stop because grapico says it will.

Manhattan > http://goo.gl/maps/9fWnc

Loop > http://goo.gl/maps/gJ23y
If you zoom in, most of those "parking lots" in Manhattan aren't even parking lots.
 
Old 08-19-2013, 09:08 PM
 
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What?
thought someone would take issue with this......let me explain. New York is way older, and as it has grown it has enveloped countless PRE-EXISTING towns and cities that had their own distinct identities before the metro enveloped them (one reason its population is more than double Chicago, which was largely undeveloped rural land that Chicagoland took over)

There must be hundreds of towns/villages/small cities in Jersey, New York State, Connecticut, Long Island that are hundreds of years old and existed WAY before they were engulfed by the NYC metro area. This is not true for Chicago, which is younger than those very same municipalities. As such, I'd say the local identities/histories of those places predate their association with New York.

Again, apart from a few examples such as Elgin, Aurora, and Michigan City, there are few places in the 10,000,000 Chicagoland region that don't owe their existence to Chicago.


This historical map is pretty cool and illustrates my point that the New York area swallowed up what was already densely populated parts of the country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra..._United_States

In 1760, New York state was barely larger than New Jersey...did those New Jerseyites think that half their state and their descendants would one day be considered New Yorkers?

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