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Old 08-22-2013, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Broward County Florida
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Here you go:
ChicagoPlays

Lucky if there's 20 full time professional theater venues? Is this a joke? Wait yes it is, because based on every single post I've ever read by you, which I've disproven, I can tell you have no idea what you're talking about with almost anything

1) Goodman Theatre - The Loop - Chicago, IL
2) Oriental Theatre Chicago - The Loop - Chicago, IL
3) Cadillac Palace - The Loop - Chicago, IL
4) Bank Of America Theatre - The Loop - Chicago, IL
5) Chicago Shakespeare Theater - Near North Side - Chicago, IL
6) Drury Lane Theatre - Near North Side - Chicago, IL
7) Auditorium Theatre - South Loop - Chicago, IL
8) Lookingglass Theatre - Near North Side - Chicago, IL
9) Steppenwolf Theatre Company - Lincoln Park - Chicago, IL
10) Briar Street Theatre - Lakeview - Chicago, IL
11) Chopin Theatre - Chicago, IL
12) The Mercury Theater - Lakeview - Chicago, IL
13) The Second City - Lincoln Park - Chicago, IL
14) iO Theater - Lakeview - Chicago, IL
15) The ComedySportz Theatre - Lakeview - Chicago, IL
16) Chicago Theatre - The Loop - Chicago, IL
17) Royal George Theatre - Lincoln Park - Chicago, IL
18) Apollo Theater - Lincoln Park - Chicago, IL
19) Victory Gardens Theater - Lincoln Park - Chicago, IL
20) Court Theatre - Hyde Park - Chicago, IL

Not counting countless others (like 180+ others) and not counting more classical music/dance venues such as the Chicago Symphony Orchestra (Chicago Symphony Orchestra - The Loop - Chicago, IL), the Lyric Opera (Lyric Opera of Chicago - The Loop - Chicago, IL), or Joffrey Ballet (The Joffrey Ballet - The Loop - Chicago, IL). Or any of the Art institute spaces such as Fullerton Hall | The Art Institute of Chicago or Rubloff Auditorium | The Art Institute of Chicago. We are not counting pure non-classical music venues or standup comedy venues counted either in this
Bud. Again. There is no few hundred professional theater troupes or companies in Chicago. There is only a few and some are Broadway traveling offshoots that visit city after city.

Just because there is a theater building and semi-pro group that puts out a show once in a blue moon does not make it a theater.

Again, there is no "few hundred" theaters in Chicago. There is probably not even a few hundred Walgreens store there neither lol

And yes Chicago's theater is well known however I am afraid that both la and dc are more active...

 
Old 08-22-2013, 11:25 AM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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Every theater I listed is either musical, classical, or comedic theatre. Sorry, but I didn't list any ones that were outside of that. There are 200+ theatres in Chicago. They aren't all big, they aren't all small, but this is talking about musical, classical, or comedic theatre. That's what we're talking about in general. No, Chicago doesn't have 200 venues with 400-500 seats and I never claimed it did. You also don't need to be in a 1000 seat theatre to be considered professional. Second City at most fits maybe 200 people, and it's one of the very premier comedic theatre companies in the country. Some may fit a few thousand and some may fit only 150 ,but they are still theatres and have performances whether you like it or not.

There's a hell of a lot more theatre going on in Chicago than you or a few others think. Anybody who knows anything about theatre in the US knows that after NYC, Chicago is one of the tops.
OK, well...then there are thousands in NYC then if you are including all this...
I wasn't talking about comedy stuff at all nor including all these other categories and small time stuff with NYC.
No, I'm pretty sure I know what is going on in Chicago, there really aren't that many plays/musicals ever going on at any one time, maybe only 20-30 performances going on a good weekend vs 200-300 in NYC

You are including small potatoes or seasonal stuff, comedy stuff and # of troupes that perform at a certain venue in your list total. If you do that with NYC it will be in the thousands.

And yes, they DO need to be that big, b/c that is what we are comparing, filling that # of seats shows the major demand differences for the performing arts in both cities which isn't close whatsoever.

I am going to generalize some here, but in my experience it is pretty true. And it's not like there aren't exceptions, there are.

As far as population goes, I would say people in NYC are way more into the arts and performing arts than people in Chicago, and this goes into things such as fashion as well. Chicago has a lot of stuff b/c of it's sheer size, but there is still a blue collar root with flavor/tastes to a large portion of the population. There is a reason why Chicago is such a huge sports town and has so many sports bars, demand. Same with the type of places you find in NYC such as the topic we are discussing, demand. The vibes of the places are pretty different in my experience.

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Old 08-22-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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Bud. Again. There is no few hundred professional theater troupes or companies in Chicago. There is only a few and some are Broadway traveling offshoots that visit city after city.

Just because there is a theater building and semi-pro group that puts out a show once in a blue moon does not make it a theater.

Again, there is no "few hundred" theaters in Chicago. There is probably not even a few hundred Walgreens store there neither lol

And yes Chicago's theater is well known however I am afraid that both la and dc are more active...
flotard is dementor
 
Old 08-22-2013, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Okay, I'm not comparing NYC to Chicago for the record and I never was. That should have been evident in the three messages I said saying that NYC is one of the top 2 theater cities in the entire world with London and Chicago can't be compared to it.

For example:
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Yes, "Broadway" in Chicago cannot be compared to NYC. Not even close, it just can't. Only one other city in the world can compare to NYC..
 
Old 08-22-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Bud. Again. There is no few hundred professional theater troupes or companies in Chicago. There is only a few and some are Broadway traveling offshoots that visit city after city.
Most of them are professional, only a small percentage are community. Hell, I have a friend here with a degree in theatre from a major university who has been in national touring companies of some big productions, who recently moved to Chicago, and he's doing smaller scale theatre and nothing from the big ones. Does that not make him professional? He gets a wage from doing it too, even if they aren't the top theatres. They aren't even theatres I've ever heard of, yet he makes money from it

You have no idea what's going on in Chicago and it's evident in every one of your messages you post. Your name is very fitting of you.

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And yes Chicago's theater is well known however I am afraid that both la and dc are more active...
DC and LA are more active? No. LA is not inactive, but it's not as big as Chicago's scene.

Top 10 cities for live theater | Cheapflights.com
In Depth: America's Most Entertaining Cities - Forbes

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Old 08-22-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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Chicago could definitely make a case for the #2 theater scene. Just the drop off from NYC is big. It's similar in other things such as the #2 amount for say, public transit system. It can make a case for #2, but the drop off is big.
 
Old 08-22-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Chicago could definitely make a case for the #2 theater scene. Just the drop off from NYC is big. It's similar in other things such as the #2 amount for say, public transit system. It can make a case for #2, but the drop off is big.
Yes, that is the only thing I was saying. I never said it was on par with NYC. It's not, and anybody who knows theatre would know that. But it's #2 in the US. My messages were in response to a certain someone trying to discredit Chicago's actually great theater scene.
 
Old 08-22-2013, 01:28 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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Most of them are professional, only a small percentage are community. Hell, I have a friend here with a degree in theatre from a major university who has been in national touring companies of some big productions, who recently moved to Chicago, and he's doing smaller scale theatre and nothing from the big ones. Does that not make him professional?

You have no idea what's going on in Chicago and it's evident in every one of your messages you post.

DC and LA are more active? No. LA is not inactive, but it's not as big as Chicago's scene.

Top 10 cities for live theater | Cheapflights.com
In Depth: America's Most Entertaining Cities - Forbes
While interesting, not really telling us much as raw data would such as, actual # of plays going on to measure quantity, or # of Tony Awards to measure quality...something to that regard.

Also I read the first one... good for promoting cities, but not accurate. Such as this vague statement...

"The Second City holds its own against its East Coast rival, New York, thanks to a bevy of cultural offerings. Topping that list: theater."

No, Chicago does not hold it's own, and isn't really a rival either. Nothing against Chicago, just par for the course in travel writing type "wordings"

I looked up the author, they are a native Chicagoan who went to Medill at Northwestern... and has written numerous articles on Chicago. While a fellow alumni, I don't think she is that objective in her article. Travel articles by nature are trying to get people to visit, not to be objective, esp one on cheapflights.com

She's also written such intriguing expert articles such as this:
Escape to Madison: Beyond beer and fried cheese curds | Cheapflights.com

I don't disagree with your point, but cheapflights and forbes list might not be the best info here.

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Old 08-22-2013, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Earth
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You are still beyond hilarious. Of course in a 8?million big city you'll find suburban qualities somewhere. Unlike Chicago however, not right in its core. Not in manhattan
What you proved everybody knew you just chose to play your game to further embarrass Chicago and Chicagoans. As if it was at all possible lol
Wrong, Manhattan also has surface lots, garages and a box store in it's core. It does exist but not on the same scale as Chicago's core. Here let me remind you again with examples I posted earlier. It's also guilty of it.

http://goo.gl/maps/PFwGz

http://goo.gl/maps/PU4SS

http://goo.gl/maps/PbzZt

http://goo.gl/maps/FIOLZ

http://goo.gl/maps/wCZYG

http://goo.gl/maps/wJ7tj

http://goo.gl/maps/Tg4YC
a stand alone parking garages
http://goo.gl/maps/uH7Fb

http://goo.gl/maps/HbgsP

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Who? I think everyone, especially here, is aware of that.
grapico brings up suburban qualties about Chicago and I revealed NYC's that's all.

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Why are narrow streets bad? Walking along a wide, highway-width street can be annoying.
I meant bad as in too narrow for some larger size vehicles to drive through. I'm actually a big fan of it. I grew with narrow walkways and streets. As for wide streets, some cities like Paris and Buenos Buenos Aires have wide boulevards. How is that bad if they're done right?

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OK enough on this urban/suburban thing for awhile, at least for me. It's been done.

Here is something Chicago wins in... the waterfront
Navy Pier vs Pier 17

Some photos I shot of both cities.

Chicago

Total skyscrapers over 492 ft - Chicago: 114 NYC: 227 source: List of cities with the most skyscrapers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Total buildings: Chicago is 1/6 of NYC




NYC





Chicago's skyline
 
Old 08-22-2013, 01:45 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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Wrong, Manhattan also has surface lots, garages and a box store in it's core. It does exist but not on the same scale as Chicago's core. Here let me remind you again with examples I posted earlier. It's also guilty of it.

http://goo.gl/maps/PFwGz

http://goo.gl/maps/PU4SS

http://goo.gl/maps/PbzZt

http://goo.gl/maps/FIOLZ

http://goo.gl/maps/wCZYG

http://goo.gl/maps/wJ7tj

http://goo.gl/maps/Tg4YC
a stand alone parking garages
http://goo.gl/maps/uH7Fb

http://goo.gl/maps/HbgsP



grapico brings up suburban qualties about Chicago and I revealed NYC's that's all.



I meant bad as in too narrow for some larger size vehicles to drive through. I'm actually a big fan of it. I grew with narrow walkways and streets. As for wide streets, some cities like Paris and Buenos Buenos Aires have wide boulevards. How is that bad if they're done right?



Navy Pier vs Pier 17

Some photos I shot of both cities.

Chicago

Total skyscrapers over 492 ft - Chicago: 114 NYC: 227 source: List of cities with the most skyscrapers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Total buildings: Chicago is 1/6 of NYC




NYC





Chicago's skyline

Wait, are you saying Manhattan is NYC's core? B/c I'm only really showing areas in Chicago's actual downtown as defined by the loop and near north side community areas that is only 4.3 square miles. If I expanded Chicago 22 miles it would include far more of those.

Where did you find a big box major retailer store in NYC downtown or vicinity with attached surface lot?

To make an apples to apples comparison, you'll need to find them in Midtown or Downtown for example.
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