U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 08-31-2013, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Milky Way Galaxy
669 posts, read 690,247 times
Reputation: 264

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by grapico View Post
Not really. Chicago has their best parks, bike paths, museums, harbors, top universities and beaches all next to it's Downtown and core neighborhoods. Manhattan doesn't have a developed waterfront on that level. It's the same way I would say NYC has far more highrises, far more subway stops, and far more multiunit housing, those are facts.
It's fact that they have it closer to their downtown, it's an opinion which is better. And NYC is not limited to Manhattan.

 
Old 08-31-2013, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
14,304 posts, read 17,924,050 times
Reputation: 6255
Quote:
Originally Posted by yyuusr View Post
But popular opinion does matter. It says that that's how majority of people feel. And it's not just in city-data forum that people feel that way since it feels like your trying to dismiss the whole thing by saying that.

New York City vs. Chicago Skyline - SkyscraperCity
I am not advocating one skyline or another for the record - I love both and both have their pros and cons for sure for me personally. If I had to pick a favorite/best - I couldn't. However, again, you are basing too much on internet polls. At the end of the day, it's not like we're comparing NYC to Wichita, KS here. NYC and Chicago are usually #1 and #2 in some order for most people. At the end of the day, being #2, no matter which city, is in no way "loser status."

This is what I was talking about partially for opinion versus fact though. The polls on forums aren't set up well enough with good samples for anybody to base whether it's actual popular opinion. If I had my guess, I'd say that it does line up only because NYC is a lot more iconic, but generally - take what opinions you read on internet forums with a bit of a grain of salt no matter what it is.

Last edited by marothisu; 08-31-2013 at 10:17 AM..
 
Old 08-31-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: roaming gnome
12,391 posts, read 23,766,008 times
Reputation: 5608
Quote:
Originally Posted by yyuusr View Post
It's fact that they have it closer to their downtown, it's an opinion which is better. And NYC is not limited to Manhattan.
I know it isn't limited to Manhattan, but Manhattan contains the comparable neighborhoods around the Downtown...

Manhattan by the water does *not* look like this...



my own picture...
 
Old 08-31-2013, 11:52 AM
nei nei won $500 in our forum's Most Engaging Poster Contest - Thirteenth Edition (Jan-Feb 2015). 

Over $104,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum and additional contests are planned
 
Location: Western Massachusetts
45,740 posts, read 39,621,992 times
Reputation: 14671
Quote:
Originally Posted by grapico View Post
I know it isn't limited to Manhattan, but Manhattan contains the comparable neighborhoods around the Downtown...

Manhattan by the water does *not* look like this...
No, though it does have some decent parks but no beaches. Battery Park City along the Hudson is well done. I'm not sure if I'd want to swim in the Hudson or East River even if there was a beach.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Batte...309.29,,0,-3.7

Like the way some of the areas by the Chicago River near downtown are relatively dead zones, formerly occupied by factories, the waterfront of Manhattan was mostly industrial or ports and so rather disconnected from the city.
 
Old 08-31-2013, 12:41 PM
 
11,895 posts, read 9,616,674 times
Reputation: 16274
Quote:
Originally Posted by nei View Post
No, though it does have some decent parks but no beaches. Battery Park City along the Hudson is well done. I'm not sure if I'd want to swim in the Hudson or East River even if there was a beach.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Batte...309.29,,0,-3.7

Like the way some of the areas by the Chicago River near downtown are relatively dead zones, formerly occupied by factories, the waterfront of Manhattan was mostly industrial or ports and so rather disconnected from the city.
I absolutely love Battery Park. I actually read an article not too long ago (and saw it on local NYC area news) that the city wants to build a little beach area along the East River, with activities available like kayaking and fishing. I doubt it'll be swimmable, but I guess they want to create a little beach like park. They also want to create a floating pool in the middle of the East River and purify the water so it actually is swimmable. I'm not sure if either of these will happen (proposals can fall through with budget, popularity issues, etc) but NYC does want to make better recreational use out of the rivers and I think it's a great idea.

Here's the one about the East River beach:
NYC to build Brooklyn Bridge Beach along East River : TreeHugger

And the pool:
Floating Pool Project Is Fully Funded And New Yorkers Everywhere Should Celebrate (PHOTOS)

Other boroughs have oceanfront activities, though, which IMO is a huge plus though I don't use them as I go to NJ's beaches. Even the Bronx has a beach (again, not that I'd swim in that part of Long Island Sound).
 
Old 08-31-2013, 12:54 PM
nei nei won $500 in our forum's Most Engaging Poster Contest - Thirteenth Edition (Jan-Feb 2015). 

Over $104,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum and additional contests are planned
 
Location: Western Massachusetts
45,740 posts, read 39,621,992 times
Reputation: 14671
NYC does have a beach scene, it's just a trek from the city center, but the subway runs there. Rockaway Beach has become a hip beach:

Photos: Rockaway Beach Style: Gothamist

Brighton Beach feels like a piece of Russia in the USA. And while few high rises, its population density is higher than the Near North Side beach areas:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Brigh...,176.1,,0,-2.8

The Everything Guide to Brighton Beach -- New York Magazine

And outside the city limits in Long Island, there's Long Beach:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2665/...13d3fa5d_b.jpg
 
Old 08-31-2013, 01:02 PM
 
11,895 posts, read 9,616,674 times
Reputation: 16274
Quote:
Originally Posted by nei View Post
NYC does have a beach scene, it's just a trek from the city center, but the subway runs there. Rockaway Beach has become a hip beach:

Photos: Rockaway Beach Style: Gothamist

Brighton Beach feels like a piece of Russia in the USA. And while few high rises, its population density is higher than the Near North Side beach areas:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Brigh...,176.1,,0,-2.8

The Everything Guide to Brighton Beach -- New York Magazine

And outside the city limits in Long Island, there's Long Beach:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2665/...13d3fa5d_b.jpg
You're right, nice links. But I'd say the best beaches in the NYC area are in Long Island and NJ, especially for scenery. As for the city itself, the beaches definitely hold their own.
 
Old 08-31-2013, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Milky Way Galaxy
669 posts, read 690,247 times
Reputation: 264
Quote:
Originally Posted by grapico View Post
I know it isn't limited to Manhattan, but Manhattan contains the comparable neighborhoods around the Downtown...

Manhattan by the water does *not* look like this...



my own picture...
Yes I think we can all agree that Manhattan's waterfront views don't look like that. But when you can views like this at about an hour ride you are not exactly at a loss the way I see it:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-llDYjrJAvm...0/DSCN7240.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SQRq30YRsS...0/DSCN7271.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9NN1XDi-ZO...0/DSCN7236.jpg
 
Old 08-31-2013, 11:00 PM
 
11,895 posts, read 9,616,674 times
Reputation: 16274
Quote:
Originally Posted by yyuusr View Post
Yes I think we can all agree that Manhattan's waterfront views don't look like that. But when you can views like this at about an hour ride you are not exactly at a loss the way I see it:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-llDYjrJAvm...0/DSCN7240.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SQRq30YRsS...0/DSCN7271.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9NN1XDi-ZO...0/DSCN7236.jpg
Perhaps I should know this, but where is that? Very pretty, really nice water clarity and color.

Manhattan does have this, though:


(I ate at this next restaurant once, amazing views!)



And New Jersey has these waterfront views… :





While looking like this from Manhattan:

 
Old 09-01-2013, 10:19 AM
 
1,899 posts, read 2,168,221 times
Reputation: 1845
Cool pics J-Girl....

regarding the two cities relationship with water....in Manhattan, the water is an afterthought, the beauty/centrality of Central Park, combined with the transportation/economic history makes the water feel like a million miles away. There is an energy in Manhattan that pulls people TOWARDS Central Park, AWAY from the water. This isn't a bad thing, it is what makes that oasis of nature in the middle of the country's most urban environment so special.

BUT, it cannot compare to Chicago's embrace of its waterfront. In Chicago, the lakefront is our municipal temple....we all bow to the Lake. It's the reason the city exists....it's an air conditioner in summer and a heater in winter....

Having said that, it seems to me that NYC/NJ etc's greatest underutilized assets are its various waterfronts. In lesser places, one might worry about diverting attention from a place like Central Park, but my guess is Manhattan (et. al) can pull it off.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top