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Hmm. I think that agrees with what I was saying? Though as my post said, there was small-scale industry in medium sized building in built up parts of Manhattan.
^^ Yes there are areas in Queens that happen to be more suburban than inner Chicago, however, anywhere in Queens where most population is built up by the subway is going to be denser and more urban than most anywhere in Chicago outside of downtown at the multiblock level.
And yes, the point was the suburban aesthetics, or... parking lots and presence of big box chains, housing style etc starts far closer in (in the actual downtown area) with higher frequency than you see in NYC. You typically will not see this in Manhattan, most of Bronx, most of the NW side of Brooklyn, and areas of Queens where the subway runs.
Queens around 7 miles outside of Manhattan
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Aerial of Forest Hills and vicinity, it's taken from the 34th floor of an apartment complex.
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You can also see almost the full manhattan skyline in this and see how much bigger it really is than Chicago's.
FH again with Brooklyn and Manhattan skylines seeming to connect in the distance. (zoom in)
Now outside of this, you will run into suburban style areas mixed in with 20+ unit apartments, flats, etc... Somewhat similar to most of Chicago in build style/layout. Then FH gardens which is more of a subdivision.
The style in the area is often like this going south.
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Many multi units in Queens look like this, they are everywhere.
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Then transition into areas like this mixed in where you find sfh, but often these are 2-3 families living in them on different levels. but others are just one family, then you also have very nice homes mixed in.
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These aesthetics remind me way more of Chicago than anything in Manhattan does, outer areas of Brooklyn do even more so, esp b/c they have some better nightlife close by and such.
Now a scene like this... is far more reminicisnt of Chicago somewhat outer neighborhoods, particularly west and NW side than anywhere in Manhattan or denser areas of Queens/BK/Bronx...
And a scene like this is more reminiscent of the denser northside areas by the lake once you get out of the highrises than anywhere in Manhattan including the elevated subway track.
Though technically it's still way denser and built up more at 68k ppsm still...aesthetically they are more similar.
The latter two gmaps are obviously Brooklyn.
I would be claustrophobic if I had to live in one of those buildings in Queens. I'd feel packed in like a sardine. Also, there would be no pride in ownership...the only thing that would belong to you, would be the furniture in your apartment. Not appealing at all...depressing, actually, to me.
I would be claustrophobic if I had to live in one of those buildings in Queens. I'd feel packed in like a sardine. Also, there would be no pride in ownership...the only thing that would belong to you, would be the furniture in your apartment. Not appealing at all...depressing, actually, to me.
Many of those buildings are condos or co-ops, as in you own a share of the building. So yes you can own. They won't win any looks award, but they're functional and a decent deal for price / decent neighborhood.
I would be claustrophobic if I had to live in one of those buildings in Queens. I'd feel packed in like a sardine. Also, there would be no pride in ownership...the only thing that would belong to you, would be the furniture in your apartment. Not appealing at all...depressing, actually, to me.
So I guess Manhattan would feel even more depressing?
And your images of parking lots is not me telling me anything new, the fact the entire city does not look like Manhattan is common knowledge as well. The point of the thread is NYC vs Chicago, as in the differences between the two cities.
Exactly, here are two links of both cities near the CBD. Manhattan is loaded with parking facilities. You'll notice the Loop doesn't have as many as Manhattan. However, not to panic most of those facilities are parking garages.
Many of those buildings are condos or co-ops, as in you own a share of the building. So yes you can own. They won't win any looks award, but they're functional and a decent deal for price / decent neighborhood.
I use to live in a highrise. You only own the airspace within each unit not the building itself. I agree with the looks. They certainly don't look as nice aesthetically like the ones along Greene Street. I could say Pyongyang blocks but that would be wrong. (j/k)
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^^ Yes there are areas in Queens that happen to be more suburban than inner Chicago, however, anywhere in Queens where most population is built up by the subway is going to be denser and more urban than most anywhere in Chicago outside of downtown at the multiblock level.
And yes, the point was the suburban aesthetics, or... parking lots and presence of big box chains, housing style etc starts far closer in (in the actual downtown area) with higher frequency than you see in NYC. You typically will not see this in Manhattan, most of Bronx, most of the NW side of Brooklyn, and areas of Queens where the subway runs.
Sure you will have less suburban characteristics the closer you are to Manhattan. I wasn't disputing that at all. I already made my point about "NYC" having suburban characteristics through out the city though. As for skyline, NYC is larger than Chicago. Anything below and above 492ft (all buildings) Chicago is around 1/6 of NYC. Source: List of cities with the most high-rise buildings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia However, anything over 492 ft that stands out more from a distance Chicago actually has 113 buildings which is half of Manhattan's 227. Hong Kong leads the world with 294 buildings over 492ft and 7,896 (all buildings) to NYC's 6,504.
Source:List of cities with the most skyscrapers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As for residential highrises, Chicago doesn't have the amount of public housing highrises today like it use to. Chicago is more like this outside the loop with multi family unit buildings.
Exactly, here are two links of both cities near the CBD. Manhattan is loaded with parking facilities. You'll notice the Loop doesn't have as many as Manhattan. However, not to panic most of those facilities are parking garages.
I use to live in a highrise. You only own the airspace within each unit not the building itself. I agree with the looks. They certainly don't look as nice aesthetically like the ones along Greene Street. I could say Pyongyang blocks but that would be wrong. (j/k)
Sure you will have less suburban characteristics the closer you are to Manhattan. I wasn't disputing that at all. I already made my point about "NYC" having suburban characteristics through out the city though. As for skyline, NYC is larger than Chicago. Anything below and above 492ft (all buildings) Chicago is around 1/6 of NYC. Source: List of cities with the most high-rise buildings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia However, anything over 492 ft that stands out more from a distance Chicago actually has 113 buildings which is half of Manhattan's 227. Hong Kong leads the world with 294 buildings over 492ft and 7,896 (all buildings) to NYC's 6,504.
Source:List of cities with the most skyscrapers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As for residential highrises, Chicago doesn't have the amount of public housing highrises today like it use to. Chicago is more like this outside the loop with multi family unit buildings.
Why don't you stop that nonsense already?
Chicago is much less densely populated and urban than New York, to New Yorkers it seems almost suburban with huge undeveloped swaths right in its core. That's all
Chicago is much less densely populated and urban than New York, to New Yorkers it seems almost suburban with huge undeveloped swaths right in its core. That's all
I'm never claimed that Chicago was more dense or equal to NYC in size. I only made an earlier point of highlighting some of NYC's suburban characteristics even though Chicago has more of it. There are some suburban like areas of the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn that are less urban than some areas of Chicago but for the most part they have more density in total number. That's all. A lot more density than you'll find along Broward Boulevard.
I would be claustrophobic if I had to live in one of those buildings in Queens. I'd feel packed in like a sardine. Also, there would be no pride in ownership...the only thing that would belong to you, would be the furniture in your apartment. Not appealing at all...depressing, actually, to me.
Well there is way more breathing room there than in Manhattan neighborhoods
I use to live in a highrise. You only own the airspace within each unit not the building itself.
If it's a condo. If it's a co-op, you own part of the building, as is common for a lot of those buildings. And the co-op "owners" get to decide who's allowed to buy in or rather move in. A bit like a HOA in some ways.
Meeting someone who grew up in one of those in a bit.
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