LA vs Miami vs San Diego (largest, comparison, Atlanta, beach)

[sav858]

Originally Posted by CaliSon

maybe because you're looking at the basin have you ever thought of that? It's like 5 times larger than SD of course there's going to be more sprawl, why are are you saying such obvious things

If I hadn't been thinking of the LA basin then I wouldn't have made that statement genius, talk about stating the obvious. I stated that because clearly one of your fellow Angeleno's didn't understand how SD is less sprawly.

[munchitup]

Originally Posted by sav858

Aside from density what other aspects to they have in common as far as development? Like I said, a lot of the Bay Area sprawl backs up to open space. The San Jose/Santa Clara MSA is most similar to LA as it's a lot of dense sprawl spread over a large flat area. But the rest of the Bay Area's development tends to be along a long, linear, and thin strip of land. In places like Hayward/San Leandro you are never more than 2-3 miles from open space in the hills. You can be in the middle of the LA basin and have sprawl stretching wall to wall for 10 miles in either direction without any large breaks such as undeveloped hills, you won't find anywhere like that in the Bay Area or San Diego.

False. Pretty much everywhere in the basin is within 10 miles of a large open area (Griffith Park, Hollywood Hills, Kenneth Hahn, Whittier Narrows, etc.)

At a quick glance, LA and SJ share a few similarities, though SJ is much more akin to the San Gabriel Valley than the actual city of LA. There are huge differences between these areas. I live in a census tract with a density of 33k (far, far from the densest census tract - 90k) - I doubt there is any of those in SJ - and I am not piled into a house with five other families (like so many LA detractors like to make as an excuse for the high density).

[sav858]

Originally Posted by munchitup

First off - OC is not Los Angeles. The two places could not be more different.

2nd - When you start to throw out the "Hollywood" term - I start to take you less and less seriously. Hollywood is a working class neighborhood in Los Angeles - a lot of celebs live in LA but it's not like in the 20's and 30's when they were actually concentrated in the Hollywood district.

First - OC is very much part of the LA MSA and CSA. That whole Orange Curtain state of mind stuff doesn't change that.

Second - I wasn't referring to the actual neighborhood but the Hollywood/Entertainment culture, I thought that was pretty obvious considering the context of my statement.

[munchitup]

Originally Posted by sav858

First - OC is very much part of the LA MSA and CSA. That whole Orange Curtain state of mind stuff doesn't change that.

Second - I wasn't referring to the actual neighborhood but the Hollywood/Entertainment culture, I thought that was pretty obvious considering the context of my statement.

I do agree that there is some materialism here (particularly the Westside and OC )

But as a percentage it is no more than any other metro area. It's also easily avoidable - In the year and some I have lived here I have gone to the Westside once or twice, and OC zero times.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

15 Million people? Did LA county just grow 5 million in population overnight?

You are the one who characterized LA as a sprawling mess. But San Diego is the precise definition of characterless sprawl outside of downtown and hillcrest.

The LA basin in contrast has vast square miles that are urban and pedestrian freindly.

I was referring to the populations of the entire metro for both regions.

I never said that sprawly mess didn't have plenty of character so I'm not sure why you act like I did. Although plenty of it doesn't either and a lot of that "character" isn't exactly desirable to many either.

SD also has plenty of neighborhoods outside of downtown and Hillcrest with character.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by munchitup

False. Pretty much everywhere in the basin is within 10 miles of a large open area (Griffith Park, Hollywood Hills, Kenneth Hahn, Whittier Narrows, etc.).

Maybe at the edge of that 10 mile radius, either way there is nowhere in the Bay Area or San Diego that has such a large area of dense continuous development like the LA Basin.

[munchitup]

Originally Posted by sav858

I was referring to the populations of the entire metro for both regions.

I never said that sprawly mess didn't have plenty of character so I'm not sure why you act like I did. Although plenty of it doesn't either and a lot of that "character" isn't exactly desirable to many either.

SD also has plenty of neighborhoods outside of downtown and Hillcrest with character.

San Diego and Los Angeles' most urban areas look very similar - large modern apartment buildings, duplexes, some SFH thrown in for good measure - but there are about 10x (probably more) as much area that is like that in LA as in SD. Additionally LA has many more older apartment buildings - the population of LA in 1930 was 1,238,048. Much of those residences still exist in the core of LA.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by munchitup

San Diego and Los Angeles' most urban areas look very similar - large modern apartment buildings, duplexes, some SFH thrown in for good measure - but there are about 10x (probably more) as much area that is like that in LA as in SD. Additionally LA has many more older apartment buildings - the population of LA in 1930 was 1,238,048. Much of those residences still exist in the core of LA.

I never said it didn't and I already stated that it does and should considering how much larger it is.

[munchitup]

Originally Posted by sav858

I never said it didn't and I already stated that it does and should considering how much larger it is.

The point being that it is ridiculous that people complain about LA's sprawl but then excuse it or ignore it in SD - where it is much less sustainable and PT access is much worse.

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by sav858

I was referring to the populations of the entire metro for both regions.

I never said that sprawly mess didn't have plenty of character so I'm not sure why you act like I did. Although plenty of it doesn't either and a lot of that "character" isn't exactly desirable to many either.

SD also has plenty of neighborhoods outside of downtown and Hillcrest with character.

Ok...if you lump Orange County with LA than LA can claim to have air quality as good as San Diego.

You pick and choose as you see fit to suit your particualr argument.