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Dallas and Atlanta are major in a lot of things vs. a city like Houston being the king of one thing and a significant precence in a couple of others. Places like Houston and the Bay Area have more of a niche economy vs. Atlanta and Dallas.
I cant help but notice that a lot CDer's from Houston have this need to minimize Atlanta and Dallas. Its an annoying patern.
Dallas and Atlanta are major in a lot of things vs. a city like Houston being the king of one thing and a significant precence in a couple of others. Places like Houston and the Bay Area have more of a niche economy vs. Atlanta and Dallas.
I cant help but notice that a lot CDer's from Houston have this need to minimize Atlanta and Dallas. Its an annoying patern.
TBH, we're tired of you guys in Dallas and Atlanta thinking you can hang with us. Sorry . We're already leaving Atlanta behind, so Dallas is our closest competitor.
Like I said before Entergy is the only company headquartered in New Orleans and no, the rigs and plants are not in the city, some are in the metro, and the others are further south. Still in the region. And of course the rigs in the gulf (obviously not in New Orleans proper). But if we're not counting that, then sure Atlanta and Dallas are a sure win. Otherwise, it's close, I just think New Orleans come out on top. Just my opinion...
Right opinions are not always accurate most of the time you waste alot of time stating opinons. As you can see its not getting anywhere on this forum no one is convincing anyone on either side so while there is a debate none of this factual there has been countless threads where this argument has been done. And they all came to a end based on a opinion...
We're tired of you guys in Dallas and Atlanta thinking you can hang with us. Sorry.
Exactly. They don't realize they minimize the importance of Houston when they try and state they are all equally important. The reality of the situation is they're not. They're perfectly fine with Boston and SF taking lead, but when it comes to Houston....hell no.
Exactly. They don't realize they minimize the importance of Houston when they try and state they are all equally important. The reality of the situation is they're not. They're perfectly fine with Boston and SF taking lead, but when it comes to Houston....hell no.
They are just haters.
Btw, does anyone know where to find the economic impact data for major airports??
DFW seems to be coming out low from what I have found in relation to to Houston and Hartsfield
so far I have found
$32B for ATL Metro/ 58K Jobs/ payroll 4.3B
$24B for Houston / 151k Jobs/ Payroll 7.1B
$16B for DFW/ 305K jobs/ Payroll 7.6B
NOLA isnt a huge or important city businesswise. It barely registers on the radar. however, it is THE gateway to the Missisippi river from the Gulf, and that is hugely important. Without it, you wont have many goods offloaded and transported up north into the heart of the US. You cant just build another port higher up, because the River begins to become un-navigable for huge ships. NOLA is hugely important for that reason. Also the oil industry's importance to the lower US cannot be denied. Louisiana provides a lot of vital components to making the country work. Why do you think the US govt spends billions down here regulating the levees and waterways? If the Old River Control Complex in Concordia, La was to fail, it would relocate the Mississippi River, leaving the Port of New Orleans and Baton Rouge much less accessible, and completely disrupting the middle of the country like a domino effect. The Us Govt spends over 100 million a year just dredging the excess silt from the river delta to keep large ship channels open. They are building a large highway over water down to Port Fourchon because if it is inaccessible by Highway 1, a large portion of oil doesnt make it to onshore refineries. Trust me, Louisiana is highly vital to the survival of a large portion of this country. Maybe not just NOLA, but all the ports and oil producing areas of the state, but much of this is filtered through and around NOLA proper.
I think the reason some are saying Dallas or Atlanta arent as vital is because businesses can adapt and move elsewhere. UPS can set up satellite places. Airports elsewhere can take on more capacity. Headquarters can relocate. Short term it would be devastating but it could be worked around. The Missisippi River is where it is and cannot be worked around. Ports only work at specific locations along it and guess where NOLA/Baton Rouge are? You cant just truck in goods from the East/West coasts, because it is too far inland. A lot of it is done with ship channels straight through the heart of the US, which are onloaded and offloaded near New Orleans. From the big river you can deliver goods through river tributaries as far as the rockies and all the way up into Minnesota. If New orleans wasnt there? No place to load goods onto big ships. Another city along the river would have to do it, and Im sure eventually you could create one big enough to handle it, but how long would it take? It would have to be built near where New Orleans is and that area is mostly marshland.
I think the reason some are saying Dallas or Atlanta arent as vital is because businesses can adapt and move elsewhere. UPS can set up satellite places. Airports elsewhere can take on more capacity. Headquarters can relocate. Short term it would be devastating but it could be worked around. The Missisippi River is where it is and cannot be worked around. Ports only work at specific locations along it and guess where NOLA/Baton Rouge are?
That is exactly what we are saying.
We are not picking on DFW or ATL, just pointing out that headquarters in can move from any city to any city, so the head quarters aspect of that argument doesn't really set right.
It is telling when head quarters CHOSE to set up shop in areas that these areas are friendly to that business, but for it to move elsewhere would not cause more uproar around the country.
If Detroit only had headquarters for the auto industry and those were to be moved, then the impact would have been tiny in comparison.
The telecom sector in DFW is always touted but the people employed in that sector in DFW is nothing to shout about. The Telecom sector in DFW can up and move and it would barely be felt in DFW let alone the rest of the country.
When Houston's ship channel was shut down last year the area was losing 1B a day
We are not picking on DFW or ATL, just pointing out that headquarters in can move from any city to any city, so the head quarters aspect of that argument doesn't really set right.
It is telling when head quarters CHOSE to set up shop in areas that these areas are friendly to that business, but for it to move elsewhere would not cause more uproar around the country.
If Detroit only had headquarters for the auto industry and those were to be moved, then the impact would have been tiny in comparison.
The telecom sector in DFW is always touted but the people employed in that sector in DFW is nothing to shout about. The Telecom sector in DFW can up and move and it would barely be felt in DFW let alone the rest of the country.
When Houston's ship channel was shut down last year the area was losing 1B a day
That seems impossible; well at least in terms of GDP, isnt the TOTAL GDP of Houston below 365 billion and since there are 365 days in the year the daily economy of Houston in total is less than a Billion a day. Also that would basically mean all facets of the Houston economy are directly tied to the port. This is not to diminish the importance of the large port, which is very significant. Also the Total income of Houston last year was roughly ~240 Billion which translates to .67 Billion per day. But then again why tie any sense of logic to things posted about Houston.
But at the end of the day all these places seem to accept that they are not Global based on the arguments and posturing for the thread criteria
BTW there is a lot of additional port capacity around this country; the refinery piece is more significant as there is not as much excess refining capacity outside of Houston relative to addtional port capacity...
That seems impossible; well at least in terms of GDP, isnt the TOTAL GDP of Houston below 365 billion and since there are 365 days in the year the daily economy of Houston in total is less than a Billion a day. Also that would basically mean all facets of the Houston economy are directly tied to the port. This is not to diminish the importance of the large port, which is very significant. Also the Total income of Houston last year was roughly ~240 Billion which translates to .67 Billion per day. But then again why tie any sense of logic to things posted about Houston.
But at the end of the day all these places seem to accept that they are not Global based on the arguments and posturing for the thread criteria
BTW there is a lot of additional port capacity around this country; the refinery piece is more significant as there is not as much excess refining capacity outside of Houston relative to addtional port capacity...
The damage throughout that incident was 1 billion dollars worth,but the area was practically losing approximately 300 million each day without it.
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. We're already leaving Atlanta behind, so Dallas is our closest competitor.
